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High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#181 - 2014-08-28 03:33:08 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.


Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.

Highsec is broken.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#182 - 2014-08-28 03:40:32 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.


Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.

Highsec is broken.


Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.

Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#183 - 2014-08-28 03:42:36 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference.
Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? Ugh
And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#184 - 2014-08-28 05:17:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.

Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around.


It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#185 - 2014-08-28 05:21:04 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.

Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around.


It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.


Yes, it does. If you have scouts say, in cruisers, and they bother to equip guns or ewar or whatever, if they jump in beforehand and see the tornados, or see flashies in local, they can put a stop to it before the guy in the hauler even takes the gate.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#186 - 2014-08-28 05:26:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference.
Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? Ugh
And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives.

This. You can't Dscan while AFK.
Back when I still mined I avoided a couple ganks in my mackinaw due to a healthy dose of paranoia, preparation, and liberal use of the 360 degree dscan. By the time the cats landed on grid all they saw were the receding tail lights of my rocket car.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2014-08-28 05:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Sentient Blade wrote:


Except it's high sec, and either the gankers warp on top of you and alpha you before you can get a lock on them, or they're still of a security status where you can't shoot them until they open fire, at which point they alpha you anyway.

Highsec is broken.


So these gankers are willing to kibosh their sec status for a gank, but your "guns" are going to wait to shoot until the gankers go criminal (and have unloaded their alpha)?

You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion.


Edit: Did you know Catalysts are made of paper?

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#188 - 2014-08-28 05:31:11 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except for the part where the OP had a cloaking device and clearly failed to use it.

Or the part where, had they had an escort and thereby by definition had a scout, they wouldn't have jumped into a gate with several tornados hanging around.


It's a valid point, but nothing at all to do with my counterpoint to Falcon saying that people should bring guns.



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4960215#post4960215

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4959250#post4959250

Will these do? 'Cause this gank happened on a station, which means that the Tornado was hanging in the breeze for long before the warp in.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#189 - 2014-08-28 05:56:36 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
[quote=Sentient Blade]You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion.


Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#190 - 2014-08-28 06:02:16 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:

Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3


That sound? That was the sound of the point going over your head.

I'm going to stop replying, because if you're not trolling then you're hopeless.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Paranoid Loyd
#191 - 2014-08-28 06:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Sentient Blade wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion.


Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3


I see you lack imagination, you can't even imagine how good it would feel to countergank a Nado that was trying to kill your 7 bil isk hauler.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#192 - 2014-08-28 06:04:44 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:

Skiffs have gone up and are at the highest price they've ever been. This is directly due to gankers ganking miners.


Citation need.

Orcas are the highest Ive ever seen em. Freighters cost about 20% more than they did less than a year ago. Let's talk about plex prices, are they due to gankers, too? ISK is worth less and less each day, THAT is your culprit here.


Quote:

Getting rid of competition for a product is also bad for an economy. I could go into detail but I'll just state it as simple as possible.

Competitive market = good.
Monopoly = bad.


Well at least u got that part right.

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#193 - 2014-08-28 06:05:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


Plus, they are fun.
Welcome to a world where "cut throat business practices" are taken seriously.[/quote]

Sayeth the Machiavellian Blink

\m/ O.o \m/

"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2014-08-28 06:33:08 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Hauling a total of 7 billion in collateral, with that low market value of the four contracts' contents didn't ring a bell?

Think I'll just keep CCP Falcon's post for future quotation, so thanks for this thread, somehow Blink


Wait, this is about OP getting shot while hauling a 7 bil collateral contract that is actually worth nada inside the wrap?

Heh, you got hauling contract scammed, son. Welcome to EVE.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2014-08-28 06:34:48 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
[quote=Sentient Blade]

Edit: Did you know Catalysts are made of paper?


Tissue paper, actually. Slightly wet.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#196 - 2014-08-28 07:17:09 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


I'd love to see CCP provide protection to people's haulers by logging in in logi ships! That would probably be enough to get me back into ganking.

Luukje wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.


... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards...


Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : /
dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p

Good job on these tears man! As for the New Order, not all of us are in CODE. though that is the largest new order alliance.


Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#197 - 2014-08-28 07:22:24 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:

Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.


By that logic being ganked by them would make one somewhat more noobish, wouldn't you say?

And honour? I'm sorry what? Since when did that concept figure into EvE? And what worth does it have to consider doing so?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#198 - 2014-08-28 07:49:17 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.


You know, I communicate almost exclusively in gifs ranging from the moderately on-topic to those ripped from bme-zine, but you've finally stumped me.

The internet doesn't seem familiar with this concept you have of e-honor.


I did find something that I think might be close to your meaning on Oglaf, but I wont (for obvious reasons) link it here (just google 'honor oglaf').

Blood and Thunder indeed.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#199 - 2014-08-28 07:53:48 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:

Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.


You do realize that, whether you put the facade on or not, that we still consider it tears, right? Especially when you mention "honor"? Oh yeah, that's a big indicator of tears.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#200 - 2014-08-28 09:20:45 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
I just want to say a big thank you to those people who did give some positives out of this. As for the macho ego's out there I thank you for wasting your time in this post as it didn't really contribute to anything apart from many http addresses.

It was hard to take a punch below the belt in eve but hey i take it and will only get better to not get another one soon. I love the game thats for sure. I got blown up instantly coming out of cloak whilst at the station in docking range. It sounds like I"m guilty for this action by the sound of some people in this post, amazing.


Anyways thank you and enjoy.


You are, all the info you need on how to avoid this has already been posted multiple times. The fact you did ur haul session to me THREE TIMES in a row makes it just stupid. The first time you got through and managed to dock up; safely having hauled 8.2 bil you deemed urself safe and as soon as i put new contracts up 5 mins later you took those as well; whilst having seen tornado's luring outside a station. (where's ur build in alarm bells?)
You take the 2nd batch, and manage to get docked up again while hauling 6.8 bil.
Three times a charm right? you go for a third round, this time having 4 contracts for a grand total of 7.09 bil. still those pesky nado's outside? oh well they didnt hurt me right! *blap* ****.
Ur own dumb fault and noone else's Blink