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High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

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Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#201 - 2014-08-28 09:32:43 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


I'd love to see CCP provide protection to people's haulers by logging in in logi ships! That would probably be enough to get me back into ganking.

Luukje wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Rule number 357 of EVE: The word safe doesn't have meaning any place in EVE.


... and it was probably CODE who shot you... Bunch of retards...


Really? come on look further than that. I deserve more credit for my work than to be compared to a few freighter gankers. atleast check out a killboard before you spread lies! : /
dont CODE always gank under their own flag anyway to show the kills on their kb? ;p

Good job on these tears man! As for the New Order, not all of us are in CODE. though that is the largest new order alliance.


Tears? I'm merely stating the fact that you are all a bunch of noobish and honorless gankers, regardless of what alliance you belong to.


HA, ha, hahahaha. someone's a little butthurt... btw using noobish in the same sentence as our kind of ganking is just stupid; obviously its been setup pretty well and a lot of thought has gone into this kind of gameplay. Same goes for freighter blaps; its not all that easy that you just press f1 and grab loot. I think you've got no clue as to what it takes to pull of these schemes, be it freighter blapping on contract scams. Guess i'll be seeing you on my KB soon?
Solecist Project
#202 - 2014-08-28 09:52:30 UTC
Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.

But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#203 - 2014-08-28 09:54:03 UTC
At least you're playing with others.
Play ball, or be the ball. A choice we all make when we undock.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#204 - 2014-08-28 09:55:00 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.

But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD*


not saying its hard, hell even JF hunting is 'easy', but it takes more than a few noobs to pull off this stuff. That's why i said its not all that easy; to the point where noobs pull it off on their own. Smile
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2014-08-28 09:55:48 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers






who is lying to you? CCP will not be doign anything about this because this is the CORE of the game! THis game is about risk , reward, PVP and competition.

The game is extremely fun as long as you keep in mind that THOSE are the activities meant to be fun in this game. The others are side activities so you can fund those primary activities.

I would agree that the current state presents too much ganking in high sec (completely blame the removal of the Rof nerf on the destroyers years ago).

But if the guy that killed you used a battleship, then he lost his battleship. It is not a matter of defenseless ship. If someoen is DUMB to not see a trap and is attracted to a specific place I want themto be, I can deal , alongside 1 friend, with ANY subcapital ship in game, even any pirate cruiser.

Guns on miners willl NOT solve anything until you step up and learn to fight. You can already fly in a battleship, or cruiser. Why not do that?


LEarn the game, you got into a trap that probably meant to force you pay a huge penalty for failing in the contract. A penalty that costed more than the ship they needed to kill you. LEarn from that and never get contracts with HUGE colaterals again.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Scout Vyvorant
Doomheim
#206 - 2014-08-28 10:37:27 UTC
Dear OP, and anyone who thinks like you,

I took the liberty to go and check the kill report on zkillboard, you were flying a poorly fitted Prorator, a blockade runner that should be 99% of the times cloaked, and flying around using instant dock / instant jump bookmark (or even a warp to 0 and spam dock works fine most of time).

From what I understand on the kill report you were probably autopiloting your way to the station, or even if you weren't, you were not using instant dock bookmark.

Your killer didn't use any BS, but a simple Tornado with a targetting speed alt boosting the speed of his targeting.

I'm sorry friend, you don't need any protection from concord, unless for "concord protection" you mean a protection from yourself. You just fell in the most common gank in high sec, and there's only one person to blame, you.

You got Tornadoed, friend.
Duran Veldspur
First Imperial Caldari Bank
#207 - 2014-08-28 13:49:58 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers






eve hisec is like chicago, it is a paradise for criminals with guns. ccp , and the empires dont seem to give a crap that such violence is happening in supposedly high security space. as long as gankers are blowing up industrials and mission runners that is what ccp has wanted. but ccp has learned that they lose alot of customers this way so they keep trying to buff hisec security a bit but gankers always find ways to easily get away with ganking.

its just part of the game, get use to it or show ccp what you think with your pocket book...
Hicksimus
Torgue
#208 - 2014-08-28 14:38:25 UTC
I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.

Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.


"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!"
"Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"

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Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
#209 - 2014-08-28 14:59:59 UTC
Hicksimus wrote:
I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.

Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.


"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!"
"Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"


The problem here is not hisec or losec; it's nullsec. Not enough big fleet battles where big ships get blowed up. Eve needs a B-R5RB fight every *week*, not every year. Plenty of ships get blowed up in Eve every day, but not enough of those huge, expensive subcaps and capital ships. Get rid of jump bridges and jump freighters if you want to spice up life in null. All of a sudden that trek to Jita from Fountain or Stain starts looking a bit more perilous.
Kiandoshia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#210 - 2014-08-28 15:03:31 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
high sec is really a joke.


This, essentially.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#211 - 2014-08-28 15:15:11 UTC
Luukje wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.

But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD*


not saying its hard, hell even JF hunting is 'easy', but it takes more than a few noobs to pull off this stuff. That's why i said its not all that easy; to the point where noobs pull it off on their own. Smile
Actually, it takes one person to coordinate it and a bunch of people in standard fit ships who can all be noobs. Burn Jita proves this. If you can approach a target and hit F1 when told, you can gank.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#212 - 2014-08-28 15:16:51 UTC
Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:
Hicksimus wrote:
I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.

Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.


"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!"
"Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"


The problem here is not hisec or losec; it's nullsec. Not enough big fleet battles where big ships get blowed up. Eve needs a B-R5RB fight every *week*, not every year. Plenty of ships get blowed up in Eve every day, but not enough of those huge, expensive subcaps and capital ships. Get rid of jump bridges and jump freighters if you want to spice up life in null. All of a sudden that trek to Jita from Fountain or Stain starts looking a bit more perilous.


No one would play that game at all, or 'almost' no one. The reason CCP added jump drives and jump bridges was 'to open up null sec for more people' because in the past people complained about how 'having to do logistics in null is painful'.

People look at past null sec through rose colored glasses, they forget how badly it sucked before these 'modern conveniences' like jump drives and upgradeable systems were invented. It's the same way people in real life idolize the past when the truth is the past sucks, people THINK they'd love living in ancient times, till they died because of a wisdom tooth or an infection caused by a paper cut....
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#213 - 2014-08-28 15:18:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Lucas Kell wrote:
Actually, it takes one person to coordinate it and a bunch of people in standard fit ships who can all be noobs. Burn Jita proves this. If you can approach a target and hit F1 when told, you can gank.


Doing the exact same thing, you can run incursions too.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#214 - 2014-08-28 16:48:31 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


CCP Falcon accidentally the whole anti-ganking movement. Pirate

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My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2014-08-28 16:51:31 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


CCP Falcon accidentally the whole anti-ganking movement. Pirate



not at all. There is a small part of the movment that is reasoanble and do not want gank gone. Just think that the effects of cocnord intervention are too small, sepcially with the cheap gank ships like destroyers. Just that. And analysing that is within a reasonable request level.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#216 - 2014-08-28 16:54:31 UTC
all i see are tears from high sec carebears who dont know how to protect themselves, you literally do NOT have to lose ur ships to ganks, be it miner or hauler, when you do everything you can to avoid this.
miners getting blapped are dumb, coss all you need is a dscan spam to see anythign coming ur way. (and not afk-mine)
haulers have plenty of tools too which have nearly all been listed. its the new players or the people who havent learned how to play that get caught by the gankers.
if you get ganked; you brought it on urself and you have nothing to rage at but urself.
play like theres something hunting you and be that paranoid carebear; coss we are hunting you and will catch you if you dont.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#217 - 2014-08-28 16:56:11 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
not at all. There is a small part of the movment that is reasoanble and do not want gank gone. Just think that the effects of cocnord intervention are too small, sepcially with the cheap gank ships like destroyers. Just that. And analysing that is within a reasonable request level.


Fair enough

CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile


CCP Falcon accidentally most of the anti-ganking movement. Pirate



Better? Blink

Relatively Notorious By Association

My Many Misadventures

I predicted FAUXs
Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
#218 - 2014-08-28 17:35:41 UTC
When I think of futuristic mining corporations in space, I think of fierce industrial giants that not only rake in obscene money from destroying vast belts of asteroids, but then use that money to purchase and fly powerful, deadly escort ships...or hire others to do that for them.

At least, if/when I ever run an industrial corporation that's going to be my goal: a hefty lump of the profits going towards having a really tough, high tech fleet.

If you've got a TON of money from huge mining ops, that should give you power in terms of the ships you can field too.

But no, for some reason people just want to fly around in Hulks in 1.0 all day without even bothering to think about protecting their mining and hauling tasks...and then whinge about the consequences.
Elinarien
Doomheim
#219 - 2014-08-28 17:40:40 UTC
Luukje wrote:
all i see are tears from high sec carebears who dont know how to protect themselves, you literally do NOT have to lose ur ships to ganks, be it miner or hauler, when you do everything you can to avoid this.
miners getting blapped are dumb, coss all you need is a dscan spam to see anythign coming ur way. (and not afk-mine)
haulers have plenty of tools too which have nearly all been listed. its the new players or the people who havent learned how to play that get caught by the gankers.
if you get ganked; you brought it on urself and you have nothing to rage at but urself.
play like theres something hunting you and be that paranoid carebear; coss we are hunting you and will catch you if you dont.


Indeed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrlUMiRL1jU
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
#220 - 2014-08-28 17:42:05 UTC
Arkus Kane wrote:
When I think of futuristic mining corporations in space, I think of fierce industrial giants that not only rake in obscene money from destroying vast belts of asteroids, but then use that money to purchase and fly powerful, deadly escort ships...or hire others to do that for them.

At least, if/when I ever run an industrial corporation that's going to be my goal: a hefty lump of the profits going towards having a really tough, high tech fleet.

If you've got a TON of money from huge mining ops, that should give you power in terms of the ships you can field too.

But no, for some reason people just want to fly around in Hulks in 1.0 all day without even bothering to think about protecting their mining and hauling tasks...and then whinge about the consequences.


Back when I was in a mining corp, the problem was finding pilots who were willing to fly CAP for a mining op. If you think mining is boring, try flying CAP for a bunch of miners. We ended up just contracting with some combat pilots who were willing to be batphoned if we came under fire, but that still meant that help could be as much as five minutes or more away if trouble landed.