EVE General Discussion

I have noticed you on more than one occasion pronounce what people deserve, and do not deserve.
Creed? (vitriol removed for the sake of civility)

What a great post OP.

You are a true entertainer. Damn, gave me some good laughs. Thanks for that!

my personal ingame mailbox is like a museum of collected tears. this is the first guy to post on here; but i've got soooooo many hate/threaten mails

"I didn't know walking through the Serengeti in a meat-suit would get me mauled by lions. Obviously we need to get rid of all lions" if it's something the victim could prevent then blaming them is acceptable. Risks are known, and so are securities.

There's no victim described in the OP, just an Eve player whose knowledge of game mechanics wasn't up to the task, or who is challenged in the grey matter department, or who was too lazy to do it right. A combination of all three is possible.

That is indeed not the case. If it was “too much easy” it would be a very common occurrence. Instead, it's something you can go through your entire EVE life without seeing and something that is the domain of a very select few niche outfits.

Except that your ship will not explode in less than a second, because the server code simply does not allow for it. You have to stop being invulnerable, you have to be locked, and you have to actually take more damage than your total EHP. Warping to -40km and insta-docking with AP means the first two never happen; fitting a tank means the third never will.

Oh, about a minute or so before your hauler arrives on grid.

No. Other way around: if it wasn't such a deterrent, ganking wouldn't exist. Instead, it would be a wholesale, carefree, and unavoidable slaughter. The fact that ganks are as rare as they are shows that the deterrent works. You can fly around for hours on end without even being locked out, that's how good a deterrent it is: it even keeps people from doing stuff that isn't even being punished.

What happens then is that people are playing the game just to have fun rather than just be a slave to the mighty ISK. It's a good thing. It means they are rather selflessly helping the game economy without actually getting anything in return.

You mean packing a sidearm in the industrial's gun locker?

Simplifying player vs. player mechanics to "I brought gun.. I can't die" may be your initial mistake.


Hauler defense is a bit more complicated than that. And the best defense is not being present at the scene of the crime. Here is an exhaustive checklist by Super spikanator.

I just want to say a big thank you to those people who did give some positives out of this. As for the macho ego's out there I thank you for wasting your time in this post as it didn't really contribute to anything apart from many http addresses.

It was hard to take a punch below the belt in eve but hey i take it and will only get better to not get another one soon. I love the game thats for sure. I got blown up instantly coming out of cloak whilst at the station in docking range. It sounds like I"m guilty for this action by the sound of some people in this post, amazing.


Anyways thank you and enjoy.

WRT ganking.

Constantly losing a ship to perform the gank will increase the demand of the type of ship commonly used. Price inflates = bad.
The target ships are often haulers and miners. Again, they are losing a ship and so the demand for these ships go up. Price inflates = bad.

Now that is just the short term.

Long term, when the price goes up and the gap between production cost and market price widens, more people make them. Supply goes up, price come back down, and the moving quantity increases even further. This is good but....

There is a problem.

The target ships are the indy players. So their ship loss becomes an expense that is taken into consideration. So even if the profit margin widens, this increase in revenue doesn't equate to an increase in profit. Profit = Revenue - Expenses. So despite the increase in price, the market doesn't see the influx of new producers and the price inflates. Even in the long term which is bad.

It goes even deeper than that.

The indy guys being ganked are being done so by destroyers mostly. So they have an incentive not to produce them if they are only going to be used against them. They'll produce other things instead. So now the price of whatever flavor of the month ganking ship will inflate even in the long term. This is bad, especially for the gankers. Talk about shooting your own feet lol.

Not only that but the added expense is factored in when goods are produced. So two things happen;

1. If the indy players are just in it for the isk and the loss of their ships becomes too much of an expense, they'll do something else like run missions. Less producers means inflated prices. This is compounded if the other thing these players do causes them to lose ships as this will now increase the demand also.

2. Those that do stick it out will factor the expense into their selling price and the price of all goods will increase. Again, inflation.


So while the act of ganking in itself is not bad and can be good for the economy, the gankers' favorite choice of target is bad for the games economy in both the short and long term.

Your whole post is under the false pretense that people are one or the other. The fact is I don't know one ganker who doesn't enjoy the industry side of the game. I don't manufacture catalysts because there is very little profit, if the margin were to rise enough I would start making them.