Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except the bait doesn't need a sebo, you warped in to fight it, remember?

Until his surprise buttsex buddy appears you're not even trying to break range or warp out...

And then it's too late (assuming the bait is decently fitted to hold you for a few seconds... anything with 2 webs and a bit of buffer tank can do it easily).


I agree suprise buttsex games will be slightly easier to pull off, but who cares? It'll be that much more fun and challenging to devise counters.

And the guys like me (and I assume you) that prefer more challenging fights will still be here. It's not that everyone will just fly combat recons next month so we can all laugh at each other instead of proper fighting.

Because the Huginn is faster and tanks better

Has the same MID layout and the amount of HP difference is NEGLIGIBLE . And it is NOT faster because the rapier can put an extra speed module at the low slot.

Because they are visible on DS?

Probably, plus they're expensive, plus most people in lowsec are here to fight (else they'd gank freighters in highsec).

But that didn't prevent lots of people 'predicting' that they would've been everywhere...

Yay!

A nice place for combatrecons would be the same PvP capabilities as a T1 cruiser with a T2 resistprofile and their ewarbonuses.
Then you add the possibility to get them to 50k ehp without links if they do not fit weapons and you have useful fleetships.
Cherry on top would be bonus to combatprobing so they can do recon.
Instead there is a jesusfeature that will break the game in many cases and will hurt the people who are already in the shittiest places: Lowend-WH-people without a large group, smallscale-PvPers and FW-nonfarmers.

This is not about whining, d-scaninvis will perfectly fill a role I have been struggeling to find an answer for for a long time and I will abuse the **** out of it. But it is still a bad design.

And people talking about 500dps cloakies already existing, that is only a blasterproty which will do it´s dps at 4km. A cloaky railproty will deal less dps than the new lach.

So you scout ahead in your link ship, your combat ones waiting to warp down to the low-low gate.
The links jump and see the camp, it looks viable to fight, and the links warp off to a boost spot. Typically it'd be off of dscan of the camp, but perhaps you'd use a close-by spot to be quick about it, and to dscan the camp while making the final call about jumping the combat ships in.
The camp of course has seen you coming and has eyes on your starting side, and huginns on their main side (off-grid to start with). When they see you commit the combat ships to the gate at 0km, knowing your links have likely moved off and you're about to jump, their huginns come on grid.
You have scouted the camp, even maintained a dscan of it, seen no impossible tackle & jump your nano ships in to an uneven-but-still-possible fight... and just spawned with web range of huginns. GG you die.

WTF are you supposed to do? Never have a scout leave the grid you plan to jump to incase a combat recon has warped in? So you now need 2 scouts to check a system: one to actually try find things (excluding combat recons); and one to just hang about on gate grid to ensure you're not jumping into otherwise-unscoutable death?

At least with the current recons & T3s, you can dscan the gate, and if you call it clear right before you jump but there was hidden stuff, you'll have the decloak delay to make a move to burn out of tackle range, warp, or crash gate. These combat recons will just be insta-locking setup (RSBing t1 logi is a cancerous thing already), giving you no chance.

I don't think you value feedback that much, because most of this thread is a really big backlash against this "improvement". Anyway, if the immunity is staying, my subscriptions in your game are not staying, you can be sure about that.

Can I have your stuff?