EVE General Discussion

Yep I see no profit in "t2 salvage", lasers, drones, etc.

Don't see them anywhere at all...

You assume that everyone stops to pick that **** up off the field.

I don't mean this offensively, but each of your posts has a very tangible feel of someone who's never seriously gone out and participated in some enjoyable PVP. A few other posters have picked up on this, and I know this too because if you had then you'd know that much of what you're saying is terrible ideas that wouldn't otherwise sit well with you. It's important also to keep in mind that this game is primarily a PVP game. Every update things are tweaked or introduced with the aim of encouraging and fostering PVP encounters in many ways across all regions from HS to null.

The end game here is to blow up each other's spaceships. Everything else is here to facilitate that happening - not to hamper it. Having a low security status, or being a 'flashy red', isn't a 'punishment' and it shouldn't limit people from parts of the universe. What it is, and what it does, is foster even more PVP by making such 'pirates' targets everywhere.

But, back to what we were talking about - My sec status isn't that bad, it hovers around -3. This is due to fights with other PVPers I've started, or joined, in lowsec areas. It's not from ganking haulers or mission runners. But even with my -3 I'm forced to run from the faction police in 0.9 and 1.0 systems and use insta-undocks in trade hubs. And you are saying this is not enough, that the penalty should not vary due to the circumstance of the 'crime' and that I should be completely banned from 0.9 and 1.0 systems.

Please, please tell me you recently purchased that character and haven't actually been playing EVE that long.

Wed be churning out carriers and dreadnaughts in lowsec instead

T2 Salvage used to pay the bills....but CCP nerfed it hard by increasing the supply massively.
Intact Armor Plates are worth about 10% of what they used to be.

The rest? Average drops are around 5-7M.
Doesn't even pay for a single T2 Cat - the bare minimum for ganking solo.

(Incidentally, freighter rigs would have gone a long way to bringing up the value of salvage again, both T1 and T2.)
Too bad carebears cried that iteration into oblivion because they didn't get to have their cake and eat it too....

Leaving aside where the actual balance fell the permanence of rigs being the only customization to freighters was never a good idea.

Nearly every other ship in game has the flexibility of module use. No reason it shouldn't have been extended to freighters.

Oh, other than the obvious performance disparity between shield and armor tanked freighters, and the inability of low-slot to fix it due to different classes of tanking modules? Rigs would have been more balanced across classes and boosted salvage value.

Would have made things more inconvenient (compared to lowslots) for freighters, yet - but it doesn't change the fact that your argument is completely stupid.

You could just as easily argue:
"Most other ships have mid slots and high-slots. No reason why they shouldn't have been extended to freighters."
"Most other ships have rig slots. No reasony why freighters should be denied them."

So what if I do both? Is it not possible to be good at PvP and be a ganker at the same time? Also, please don't open your mouth if you have never been on a ganking fleet (specifically loyalanon's) as even someone with decent pvp background can easily get left behind with the much faster paced action of ganking.

Actually "most other ships have x slots" wasn't the argument at all, it was that most other ships have slots which aren't filled by items that need to be destroyed to be swapped. The only one that doesn't is a shuttle, which doesn't have rig slots either.

As for the performance desparity, that would be a point if it weren't for the fact that unless going for very high meta mods + slaves it's still better to use bulkheads to tank on armor freighters. Furthermore the shield freighters hold highest potential cargo and speed.

Salvage value would likely have spiked but the I doubt it would have significant long term effect. What you haven't even approached addressing though is demonstrating why the cost in fitting and refitting freighters with capital rigs is in any way balanced or justifiable.

This is what always gets me, gets me to want to gank more. In no other part of Eve could you do what hisecers think they can get away with. In no place can you autopilot. In no place can you AFK in space (unless you are cloaked). In no place can you carry on normal business with hostiles in the area. No where. Do you know what response you can expect in CFC Deklin intel when someone says they've been tackled in XYZ system and begs for rescue? Its, "you're dead. stop crying in intel."

But in hisec where you have omnipotent space police that will warp to your rescue in 25s or less, for some reason, here we need to have more and more protections for "pilots" so they can autopilot and AFK while doing their laundry. You have all the tools everyone else has PLUS omnipotent NPCs that come to your aid and are 100% effective every time. And even that isn't enough to make the carebears in this thread happy.

You don't need more restrictions on ganking. You don't need fitting options for your freighters. You don't need more tank for your exhumers. You need a Bacon button. Just one button on the UI with a 15 minute cooldown timer. Press button, get bacon, return to folding your pants. I'm sure CCP Karkur can hook you up with that.