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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#201 - 2014-06-17 05:00:31 UTC
Noragli wrote:
I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net

I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.


As the diplomatic contact for CODE. alliance (which Conference Elite is a proud member of) - please show me on the spaceship doll where we touched your freighter and if we acted against the spirit of the New Haliama Code of Conduct, I will have it replaced.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#202 - 2014-06-17 05:08:21 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:


This is what always gets me, gets me to want to gank more. In no other part of Eve could you do what hisecers think they can get away with. In no place can you autopilot. In no place can you AFK in space (unless you are cloaked). In no place can you carry on normal business with hostiles in the area. No where. Do you know what response you can expect in CFC Deklin intel when someone says they've been tackled in XYZ system and begs for rescue? Its, "you're dead. stop crying in intel."


I've never been a ganker, but I swear by space-jesus that spending time on the forums makes me want to start lol.

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But in hisec where you have omnipotent space police that will warp to your rescue in 25s or less, for some reason, here we need to have more and more protections for "pilots" so they can autopilot and AFK while doing their laundry. You have all the tools everyone else has PLUS omnipotent NPCs that come to your aid and are 100% effective every time. And even that isn't enough to make the carebears in this thread happy.

You don't need more restrictions on ganking. You don't need fitting options for your freighters. You don't need more tank for your exhumers. You need a Bacon button. Just one button on the UI with a 15 minute cooldown timer. Press button, get bacon, return to folding your pants. I'm sure CCP Karkur can hook you up with that.


That's the nature of the entitled and greedy. I once had a girlfriend (side note, why does 'complaining carebear' portion of this 97% male population MMO always remind me of crazy females I used to bang???) who if you gave her something, she'd look at you and complain that it wasn't more.

CCP learned (we hope) from the exhumer buff: The 'carebears' of the game are thempark style players for whom no amount of sandbox tools will ever satisfy them. They don't want tools, that want CCP to do the heavy lifting for them.

Or maybe CCP hasn't learned, they gave freighters 3 slots only to hear complaints about it not being more or about not being able to mount damage controls or shield mods lol.




And now, a Public Service Announcement regarding Ganking and how YOU can survie it.
Erufen Rito
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#203 - 2014-06-17 05:25:45 UTC
This again?

CCP, can you please include the following on your account validation mail:

"If you are easily butthurt, or hate the idea of your pixels becoming an explosion of pixels and then a nice compilation of pixels in the form of a wreck, please, do us all a favor and go back to whatever kiddy MMO you came from."

I mean, seriously guys, quit yer bitchin.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165

Azure Rayl
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#204 - 2014-06-17 06:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Azure Rayl
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(

edit: To clarify im not talking about defending against gankers (that is pretty easy) :P im talking about viable ways to offend known gankers before they actually gank :D
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#205 - 2014-06-17 06:27:57 UTC
Azure Rayl wrote:
i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(


Yeah right, maybe when they start ganking in T3 cruisers.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Lady Areola Fappington
#206 - 2014-06-17 06:38:21 UTC
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(



You fight a ganker most effectively by denying kills. You deny kills most effectively by not being there when the gankers are there.

I know, it doesn't have the same heroic feels as valiantly standing your ground in a hail of lazors, but it works so much easier.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Prince Kobol
#207 - 2014-06-17 06:42:34 UTC
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(



No, there are tools to avoid being ganked, its called common sense and not being a lazy sod Big smile

Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2014-06-17 06:51:44 UTC
Noragli wrote:

A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.


CONCORD only punish, nothing else. So no, high sec doesnt need to be even safer. Back in the days you could spider tank CONCORD. Lets bring that back instead!

If people are willing to throw away half a billion to gank an empty freighter, then let them. Its more than the freighter pilot loses if he insured his ship...
Elmonky
Spanglish Pack Rat and Co
#209 - 2014-06-17 06:58:29 UTC
Saw 22 pages and thought necromancy was in play. Nope. Threadnought full of feels about pixels.


if it's been said already then I'll apologise but all I have to say is....



Learn to fit.
Learn to support skills
Learn to tank.



Oh and learn to play with others. I've read minerbumping. Made me laugh hard, also made me wear tank even when I know I'm ''safe'' I was even wearing tank in W-Space in my procuror that's how paranoid I've become. Use scouts/ecm/pals/bookmarks/safepoints/alternate routes.

Shocked

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#210 - 2014-06-17 07:16:11 UTC
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(


The are a lot of tools you can use to defend yourself. People are simply chosing to not use them.
Azure Rayl
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#211 - 2014-06-17 07:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Azure Rayl
baltec1 wrote:
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(


The are a lot of tools you can use to defend yourself. People are simply chosing to not use them.


To clarify im not talking about defending against gankers (that is pretty easy) :P im talking about viable ways to offend known gankers before they actually gank :D
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#212 - 2014-06-17 07:44:35 UTC
Azure Rayl wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(


The are a lot of tools you can use to defend yourself. People are simply chosing to not use them.


To clarify im not talking about defending against gankers (that is pretty easy) :P im talking about viable ways to offend known gankers before they actually gank :D


You do know that you can gank gankers and make a profit right?
Azure Rayl
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2014-06-17 07:48:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Azure Rayl wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(


The are a lot of tools you can use to defend yourself. People are simply chosing to not use them.


To clarify im not talking about defending against gankers (that is pretty easy) :P im talking about viable ways to offend known gankers before they actually gank :D


You do know that you can gank gankers and make a profit right?


Because ganking an economically fit thrasher/tornado is profitable right :P
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2014-06-17 07:53:38 UTC
Azure Rayl wrote:


Because ganking an economically fit thrasher/tornado is profitable right :P


Yes it is. We figured out how to turn a profit ganking t2 cats and their scanning frigates. A t2 fitted nado or talos are very easy to gank and always turn a profit. Gank boats are all gank and no tank.
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#215 - 2014-06-17 08:01:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


The are a lot of tools you can use to defend yourself. People are simply chosing to not use them.



I dont have to read more than the OP to know this is my response too

Case closed.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
Transgress
#216 - 2014-06-17 08:09:58 UTC
Another derpnought, I'm sure I have missed an engaging and polite discussion?

Btw if you have the attention of a bunch of gankers, you are doing it wrong
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
Transgress
#217 - 2014-06-17 08:54:10 UTC
Some engaging and polite conversation.
Some muck flinging.
Some folks confusing 'griefing' with predation and opportunism.
Some more muck flinging.
A little E Bushido mixed in for flavor.
With a bit of "Blood makes the grass grow" thrown in for dessert.
Worthy of popcorn, would watch again.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2014-06-17 09:10:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Azure Rayl wrote:


Because ganking an economically fit thrasher/tornado is profitable right :P


Yes it is. We figured out how to turn a profit ganking t2 cats and their scanning frigates. A t2 fitted nado or talos are very easy to gank and always turn a profit. Gank boats are all gank and no tank.


Or you can just steal their loot after the gank and bugger off.
Butzewutze
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2014-06-17 09:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Butzewutze
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(

edit: To clarify im not talking about defending against gankers (that is pretty easy) :P im talking about viable ways to offend known gankers before they actually gank :D


So you say sec status loss means nothing for gankers but you dont engage them anyway. You know they fix their sec status with tags. Ever tried to do something about that? Buying the tags of the market to make it unprofitable or maybe farm the tags yourself to get actually profit out of the "gankers that get out of control"? You dont fit your ships properly and demand ccp to take action because of your own imcompetence? Welcome to eve. Players like you will be sorted out.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#220 - 2014-06-17 10:33:53 UTC
Butzewutze wrote:
Azure Rayl wrote:
The problem isn't ganking per se, it's the lack of mechanics to combat ganking. Most gankers buy tags to keep there sec status high enough to not be targeted by concord (a very poor mechanic, sec status loss means nothing to them). We know who the gankers are, we know when they are scanning for a target yet we cant touch them until the crime is dealt and done (unless you want to activate that 1 billion isk killright or gank and lose you ship in the process) i mean the lack of tools to combat them is crazy, it's no wonder why they do it :(

edit: To clarify im not talking about defending against gankers (that is pretty easy) :P im talking about viable ways to offend known gankers before they actually gank :D


So you say sec status loss means nothing for gankers but you dont engage them anyway. You know they fix their sec status with tags. Ever tried to do something about that? Buying the tags of the market to make it unprofitable or maybe farm the tags yourself to get actually profit out of the "gankers that get out of control"? You dont fit your ships properly and demand ccp to take action because of your own imcompetence? Welcome to eve. Players like you will be sorted out.


We dont bother with sec tags. Even when open to pvp from everyone people wont attack us.