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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Noragli
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-06-16 15:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net

I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves.

It used to be just the freighters carrying too high value cargo that were targetted, but now, even empty ships are targetted.

I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?

A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-06-16 15:51:54 UTC
If they have fun ganking, let them.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-06-16 15:52:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Noragli wrote:
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not.

Then why are you posting? Roll

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#4 - 2014-06-16 15:55:11 UTC
"someone ganked some ships" doesn't logically lead to "ganking needs nerfing"
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-06-16 15:56:39 UTC
Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Noragli
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-06-16 16:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.

I wonder how many cancel their subscription.
Pepper Solette
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-06-16 16:02:07 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.


Any time is sexy time if you try hard enough......................and have enough lubricant.

** Miko Sunji:  "There is no better way to find out if you can swim, than swimming for your life."**

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#8 - 2014-06-16 16:04:47 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Many of those ganked and pod killed were in empty freighters, or shuttles, or pretty much any ship is targetted just for the sake of getting a kill and hoping to kill a pod full of implants.

so?
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#9 - 2014-06-16 16:07:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
Sibyyl wrote:
Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.

How would you know where it happened?

Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station
until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.

Make CCP nerf the cowards and the game will change.

Until then you have to live with these cowards.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]

Serene Repose
#10 - 2014-06-16 16:08:51 UTC
A game within a game. Worship me. I am the Freighter Goddess. Anyone claiming sovereignty over the souls of astro-truckers is a charlatan and a knave. (Some commoner called James seems to have grown too big for his broom closet.)

Send me everything all at once TWICE and I'll ensure you're never again bothered as you keep it between the ditches, slammin' those gears down the highway of life.

Just to show yah how much I love yah:

Girl On The Billboard

Six Days On The Road

Drivin' My Life Away

Lookin' At The World Through A Windshield

What's the big surprise? Oh...right. Catch you on the flip flop.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-06-16 16:14:49 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.

How would you know where it happened?

OP has edited her post to confirm what I suspected.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Noragli
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-06-16 16:15:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Noragli
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit.

You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just suicide ganking other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more. Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen, then suddenly their ship is dead and pod is killed by a group of up to 25 players in cheap destroyers. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions.

It shouldn't be possible to board a ship in a system where your security status is below the acceptable limit for that system. -10? You can't board a ship in high security space, or you can but concord will be on you instantly, same as when you enter space in a ship after committing a concord sanctionable offense. Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.

Then just keep an eye on the price of the security status repair npc drops, if it's still too cheap to get back to 0.0 security status then reduce drop rate.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#13 - 2014-06-16 16:17:52 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
Sounds like somebody was in Aufray last night.. and didn't have fun party sexy time.

How would you know where it happened?

Most suicide gankers are just chestbeating carebears hiding inside the station
until they undock in a group, strike and vanish again.

that's due to -10 sec and the 15-minute criminal timer. duh.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-06-16 16:18:18 UTC
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#15 - 2014-06-16 16:20:10 UTC
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

like the carebears who refuse to protect themselves continually demanding that other players' playstyles are nerfed?

Quote:
Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.

what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'.
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#16 - 2014-06-16 16:20:15 UTC
I did some checking to see to if I could find something that would stick out. I found 2 interesting facts:

- Ganking is now done by people from CODE itself rather than the crybaby groupies.
- Only a very low number of jumpfreighters use reinforced bulkheads instead of cargoexpanders, inertia stablizers or even worse: empty lows.

All these freighters are ganked by a combination of Talosses and catalysts.

I believe CODE is testing and perfecting tactics to gank (jump)freighters after the new release.
Noragli
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-06-16 16:21:09 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.


EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-06-16 16:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Noragli, honestly there were no lack of warnings in Dodixie Local about the cluster on Dodix-Aufray path. Despite these warnings, there was no lack of freighter pilots rushing into that gate.

The Rhea kill (congrats Ovaert!).. why a jump freighter is using gates (a known, heavily camped gate, even) is beyond me.

I'm trying to understand if you have a leg to stand on. Please help me.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#19 - 2014-06-16 16:26:26 UTC
Noragli wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.


EVE isn't only about blowing up player spaceships. If CCP ever forgets that, subs will plummit.

It's about making them too.
Noragli
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-06-16 16:26:33 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Noragli wrote:
When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players.

like the carebears who refuse to protect themselves continually demanding that other players' playstyles are nerfed?

Quote:
Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.

what problem? you haven't established the existence of any 'problem'.


The problem is that -10 characters or other low sec status characters can operate ships and attack people in high security space.

When a character who has aggressed concord undocks or boards a ship, his ship is barred from warping. If concord can do that, then there is no reason the same can't be applied to an outlaw who undocks or boards a ship in high security space. He should be barred from warping or activating weapons.

Ganking will still be possible, but it won't be so ridiculously easy as it is now.
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