EVE General Discussion

A Griffin loaded with a quintet of Magnetometric ECM will stop a gank in-progress (a Falcon even more-so). If you want to stop the gank before it starts, simply having a Falcon on-grid with the intended gankee will generally make a lot of gankers think twice (especially if they've been using a mix of Catalysts and Taloses).

As well, use a webbing alt, or have a corpmate follow along with you to web you nearly instantly into warp. If you don't like that you need two people at that point, well, what do you, a solo person in a non-combat ship, expect to do against a group flying combat ships?

Logi, webbing alts, griffins and falcons, all of these are preemptive measures to gankers that require no risk of CONCORD at all.

The only thing I think is wrong is: Destroyers have too much dps for their cost. Ganking is much more efficient than wars, therefore making wars (a core game design feature) an inneficient thing.



If to gank peopel hat to use a BC or Battleship then not many would be boethered. But destroyers are basically for free ( the times takes to assemble them cost more isk then the price of the ship itself).

The removal of the ROF penalty on destroyers was one of the most horrible decisions balancewise CCP has ever made.

That's actually an interesting, but also completely irrelevant point.

ISK isn't a balancing factor. People will use whatever is the best option for the job.

So?

And what's your idea of countering you?

In my opinion, the only thing that might be necessary is to make it easier for players to respond to the gankers in some better fashion than they can right now. Frankly, I think ganking is too low risk and too high reward. Consider the following: If ganking carried a great deal of risk, would one still gank relatively 'worthless' targets like empty freighters or shuttles for no relative isk-gain?

What it tells me is that the cost of replacing a ship is low enough that people can just gank for fun.
It tells me that the other repercussions for ganking in highsec are minimal or non-existent.

ECM, logi, counter gank, fast locking high dps cruisers, command ships. The list goes on, not only is it easy to work out where the strike will happen but its also easy to counter it.

How on earth would you do that without breaking things? It's already laughably simple. People just choose not to do it, and making it easier won't change that choice. Changing what people can do is pointless if people actively and persistently refuse to do it under any and all circumstances.

Yes. If they didn't, you'd know that something has gone horribly wrong and is in urgent need of fixing.

So what? Why aren't people allowed to have fun?

If i may add a little explanation why these things work.

logis:

thos ships will work pretty well as defense against ganks as most gank squads will not bring enough firepower to alpha a freighter, because it would be insanly expansive to bring that much firepower and while many peolpe think ISK is not a factor when suiciding: If you want to alpha ships like a freighter it will become a factor on the long run, especially when you shoot empty freighters.

ECM:

Those will work because most suicide ganking squads do not bring a lot more dps than you will need in the worsed case scenario. Nowadays this will surely be a lot more than needed in a case of a freighter with no tank, which will make it hard to safe those with ECM ships (but it is just a matter of how many of them you are willing to bring along). In the case of a tanked freighter you will not need to many of them fail.

Combine those 2 options and you already have a pretty good counter to ganking.

Now if you want to have some more fun and get some killmails as well.

Take a few nados for example... each tornade can easily alpha 2 catas at once or a singe untanked suiciding bc. Sit in suicide ganking systems with a few of those and it will be a lot harder and a lot more expansive for them to successfully kill the targets.

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Of course we will not see this happening, because people will not team up to go against suicide gankers. In general they only start caring about them, when they become victims themselves and instead of doing anything to counter the ganks they just come to the forums and complain about how unfair it is.

If the people who complain about suiciding would just team up and use the above mentioned methods, it would be a lot harder for people to keep suiciding.

Go after their logistics chain either with guns or via the market. Their ships and guns don't appear from nowhere, they have to be shipped in or purchased.

In other words it's too much effort to do it yourself, you want others to do it for you

Think of gankers as player-run CONCORD. DISCORD, if you will.


Like CONCORD, they warp in at the scene of the crime.

For CONCORD, PVP is the crime. For DISCORD, carebearing.

Like CONCORD, they try to kill the offender as fast as they can.

CONCORD doesn't give 'gudfites', neither do players. 100% successful kill rate is the only goal of both organizations.

Once the offender is dead, they are no longer needed. CONCORD idles by 'hiding' behind their invulnerability, players go hide and reship in stations.


CONCORD rules highsec, even though it's name isn't in the top left corner*.

DISCORD (or whatever they choose to call themselves) is investing people, time and ISK to claim some highsec for themselves, in the exact same fashion.


Emergent gameplay, much?



*Except maybe a system or two, iirc