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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#261 - 2014-06-17 14:02:43 UTC
Counter gank? One Rokh named Podhammer with a lot of smartbombs.

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Kalon Horan
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#262 - 2014-06-17 14:05:31 UTC
Auron Black wrote:


If you want players to counter gank and set traps then give us something worth ganking. We aren't going to set up traps or spend hours sitting on a gate in hopes of catching a couple 10m destroyers.

Sure you "can" attack a suicide ganker but the question becomes why bother? It's boring, unprofitable, and wont ever accomplish anything.


Thank you very much for confirming this:

Kalon Horan wrote:


Anyone complaining about them and crying to ccp quite simply is just a lazy piece of ****. You have the tools to stop them. No1 stops you from camping the stations they use for hours and to stop them from suicide ganking, but you do not do it quite simply because you wanna make more ISK and rather come to the forums and cry about the situation.

If the people would stop to only care about ISK the life of suicide gankers or any -10 chars in high sec would be miserable. Crying about the situation only shows how ******* lazy you ppl are.


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CCP Falcon
#263 - 2014-06-17 14:34:22 UTC
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

There's space for us all in New Eden.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#264 - 2014-06-17 14:36:36 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

There's space for us all in New Eden.

Some of us like to sell matches and fuel to those who want to watch it burn Evil

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#265 - 2014-06-17 14:43:57 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

There's space for us all in New Eden.


That post should be the end of pretty much everything going on in this thread.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#266 - 2014-06-17 14:46:26 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

There's space for us all in New Eden.

Some of us like to sell matches and fuel to those who want to watch it burn Evil


I may hate what you stand for at times but I'll be damned if I say you don't make me lol hard other times.

+1

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#267 - 2014-06-17 14:47:36 UTC
Seems like this is one of those situations where a perceived problem is in actuality an opportunity. If haulers were to start employing escorts to help protect their hindquarters not only would it increase their odds of arriving intact, but it would also give other players something to do as well.

It may not be the most exciting task out there, but if the ISK is right I'm sure there are young pilots out there who would happily ride shotgun with freighters in griffins or the like, helping web them into warp and jamming attempted ganks.
I can't see the cost of such services being so prohibitive as for it to cut too deeply into a freighter pilot's bottom line, so the real problem must lie elsewhere...

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#268 - 2014-06-17 14:54:37 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Some men just want to watch the world burn.

There's space for us all in New Eden.

Some of us like to sell matches and fuel to those who want to watch it burn Evil


I may hate what you stand for at times but I'll be damned if I say you don't make me lol hard other times.

+1
Lol I try P

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#269 - 2014-06-17 14:55:26 UTC
For the first time, I am seriously considering leaving nullsec and starting up a freighter protection service. It seems like the environment is right for a lucrative venture to be made of this.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#270 - 2014-06-17 14:59:50 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
For the first time, I am seriously considering leaving nullsec and starting up a freighter protection service. It seems like the environment is right for a lucrative venture to be made of this.


This!

Lookit!

A real idea!

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Concord Guy's Cousin
Doomheim
#271 - 2014-06-17 15:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Concord Guy's Cousin
My cousin, Angry Concord Guy, would like to point out that Concord are only responsible for the punishment of criminals, that is their sole remit when it comes to dealing with capsuleers.

The only things that Concord protects are beyond the door, especially the donut shops that can be found on level 2 of the food mall present in every station.

It is a capsuleers responsibility to provide for their own protection, as far as Concord is concerned those that fail to do so may as well turn in their implants and clones and resume life as a mortal.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#272 - 2014-06-17 15:18:42 UTC
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:
The only things that Concord protects are beyond the door, especially the donut shops that can be found on level 2 of the food mall present in every station.
Well played, well played indeed.

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Deviant X
Deviant Inc
#273 - 2014-06-17 15:31:45 UTC
You know .... my Mark V was popped around there.

I was lazy and didn't have all my BPO's and BPC's in an interceptor. Nothing too spendy mind you (few researched frigate, destroyer, etc) .... But it happens. My bad decision led to the loss.

But ultimately, it's at least three guys/accounts. Booster, Hauler, and Ganker.

You suck it up and keep enjoying the game. My first thought was 'Damn'. My second thought was, "wonder what that was worth?" I emailed the guy and didn't get a response. He didn't post the kill so I can't see it either. Call that morbid curiosity?!?





On the flip side, I'm thinking it may redirect my game play. That's always refreshing.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#274 - 2014-06-17 16:28:09 UTC
and the real problem must lie elsewhere...
Interaction with other players perhaps? I've had troubles with it myself, to be honest. I'm a distrustful curmudgeon who has difficulty establishing connection with other people. It's cost me years of potential fun.
On the other hand, I've never once fooled myself about the true nature of this game. It is a multi-player pvp oriented game with some pve content thrown in.
Ships going boom makes the economy go. (Blood makes the grass grow!)
CYA (cover your arse). If you have things that are valuable to you, you should take all reasonable measures to protect them from harm. You'd do this IRL, why not in EVE? (yes, EVE is not IRL, but the notion still holds in game)
Several suggestions as to how to keep your stuff intact have been levied during the course of this threadnaught, many from those who perpetrate the deeds themselves... take heed and govern yourself accordingly?
I'm trying here, but honestly I'm feeling that some men simply cannot be reached.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Commandante Caldari
Best Kept Dunked
#275 - 2014-06-17 16:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Commandante Caldari
I just see one issue here CCP should take a look at: bumping.

All Freighters were bumped 200+ clicks off the gate by a Machariel. And this is absurd. Those Freighters have no chance to align and warp off. In the meantime the gankers with a negative standing up to -10 form up, warp on grid first at warp in range to the Freighter, CONCORD shows up, they warp on top and gank. More CONCORD shows up. This will additionally create lag what might make it hard to save your pod.

However. This is just my pov. CCP has to look into this because at a special point this kind of bumping gameplay might be an exploit because without it you need a perfect timing to undock and warp into close range when a Freighter jumped, decloaked and aligns for warp.

Sorry for starting a rage thread from this point Twisted
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#276 - 2014-06-17 16:44:58 UTC
Commandante Caldari wrote:
I just see one issue here CCP should take a look at: bumping.

All Freighters were bumped 200+ clicks off the gate by a Machariel. And this is absurd. Those Freighters have no chance to align and warp off. In the meantime the gankers form up, warp on grid first at warp in range to the Freighter, CONCORD shows up, they warp on top and gank. More CONCORD shows up. This will additionally create lag.

However. This is just my pov. CCP has to look into this because at a special point this kind of gameplay might be an exploit.

Sorry for starting a rage thread from this point Twisted



Yeah but its not. See BUMPING: A Response in C&P for the official line on bumping

You want to align fast and not get ganked? Get an escort and use the legal "exploit" that already exists

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#277 - 2014-06-17 16:45:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Commandante Caldari wrote:
I just see one issue here CCP should take a look at: bumping.

All Freighters were bumped 200+ clicks off the gate by a Machariel. And this is absurd. Those Freighters have no chance to align and warp off. In the meantime the gankers form up, warp on grid first at warp in range to the Freighter, CONCORD shows up, they warp on top and gank. More CONCORD shows up. This will additionally create lag what might make it hard to save your pod.

However. This is just my pov. CCP has to look into this because at a special point this kind of gameplay might be an exploit.

Sorry for starting a rage thread from this point Twisted
They already have, and it's neither an exploit, or griefing.

GM Karidor wrote:
CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.

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Commandante Caldari
Best Kept Dunked
#278 - 2014-06-17 16:54:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Commandante Caldari
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Commandante Caldari wrote:
I just see one issue here CCP should take a look at: bumping.

All Freighters were bumped 200+ clicks off the gate by a Machariel. And this is absurd. Those Freighters have no chance to align and warp off. In the meantime the gankers form up, warp on grid first at warp in range to the Freighter, CONCORD shows up, they warp on top and gank. More CONCORD shows up. This will additionally create lag.

However. This is just my pov. CCP has to look into this because at a special point this kind of gameplay might be an exploit.

Sorry for starting a rage thread from this point Twisted



Yeah but its not. See BUMPING: A Response in C&P for the official line on bumping

You want to align fast and not get ganked? Get an escort and use the legal "exploit" that already exists


You talk about webbing. CCP still nerfed bumping for a good reason. And I think they need to rebalance it again.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#279 - 2014-06-17 17:02:41 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
and the real problem must lie elsewhere...
Interaction with other players perhaps? I've had troubles with it myself, to be honest. I'm a distrustful curmudgeon who has difficulty establishing connection with other people. It's cost me years of potential fun.
On the other hand, I've never once fooled myself about the true nature of this game. It is a multi-player pvp oriented game with some pve content thrown in.
Ships going boom makes the economy go. (Blood makes the grass grow!)
CYA (cover your arse). If you have things that are valuable to you, you should take all reasonable measures to protect them from harm. You'd do this IRL, why not in EVE? (yes, EVE is not IRL, but the notion still holds in game)
Several suggestions as to how to keep your stuff intact have been levied during the course of this threadnaught, many from those who perpetrate the deeds themselves... take heed and govern yourself accordingly?
I'm trying here, but honestly I'm feeling that some men simply cannot be reached.

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Prince Kobol
#280 - 2014-06-17 17:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Commandante Caldari wrote:
I just see one issue here CCP should take a look at: bumping.

All Freighters were bumped 200+ clicks off the gate by a Machariel. And this is absurd. Those Freighters have no chance to align and warp off. In the meantime the gankers form up, warp on grid first at warp in range to the Freighter, CONCORD shows up, they warp on top and gank. More CONCORD shows up. This will additionally create lag.

However. This is just my pov. CCP has to look into this because at a special point this kind of gameplay might be an exploit.

Sorry for starting a rage thread from this point Twisted



Yeah but its not. See BUMPING: A Response in C&P for the official line on bumping

You want to align fast and not get ganked? Get an escort and use the legal "exploit" that already exists



Bumping is the only issue I believe that should be looked into.

Even with a escort all you have to do is just bring in a second mach pilot and you are going to get bumped, also as much as I would love to say this is game where you play with other players, it should not be a necessity when it comes to flying a freighter / JF.

If the only way to avoid getting bumped is to use a "legal Loophole" then something is wrong

I honestly have no idea how the mechanics could be changed but what I do not want is to see any kind of official ruling that bumping is not allowed or anything silly like that.

I can understand the frustration when you being bumped as once you received the initial bump you are as good as dead, well it is out of your hands at any rate.