EVE General Discussion

Well said, with references and everything. One like just for an especially high quality post. Wish I could give you a second like for the content as well.

I've only made it to page 6, and will probably ammend this post as i work may way around this thread.

I will state that in the years since 2007, my initial excursion into the universe of Eve Online, my biggest desire has been the immersion that WIS was promised to provide. I have little interest in hanging out in bars, but much more in the corporate interactivity aspect that such an environment provides. Being able to plot supply routes on a shared map, discuss points and tactics and display them - again, on a shared interface, in 3D - is an invaluable tool that would greatly deepen the gameplay value of Eve.

I'm looking forward to continued development on the CQ model, both in content/utility expansion as well as visual fluff.
If WIS could lead to more content in the game, even (or especially) in the case of expanded gameplay beyond spaceships, Eve's value would increase immeasurably.
I got lucky with the Boot.ini situation, i rarely turned the computer off at the time... Hell, I rarely logged off Eve!
The CQ situation didn't bother me too much, I was able to run 4 accounts on high settings in the quarters without too much issue, I later scaled back the alts on settings and ran only my primary character on high. It ran smoother, I was not dissapointed in the performance of the expansion.
I was however, dissapointed in the content delivered. At first it was amazing, I redesigned my characters and rather enjoyed the result. Then I stepped into the CQ and within moments ran out of things to do.

From a design and idea standpoint, there is a tremendous amount of content that could be added to greatly improve both the new and veteran player experiences from the CQ/WIS standpoint. Such opportunity should not be passed over.

From a technical standpoint, I know what's involved. I've designed and built virtual things for years, both the coding and graphical content. I still believe it's something that can be done, especially with the talent that CCP employees display with each new release of content.

I've noticed a trend among the naysayers, that extends far beyond Eve players specifically. They're the typical type that shoots down an idea soley for the reason that it doesn't support their game play style. A sandbox universe caters to many types of gameplay, Eve is not strictly about nullsec blocs, or even pvp. There is a massive world outside of those things, Eve is a content rich universe with nearly unlimited potential. Dedicating a group to developing that potential is absolutely what I think CCP should be doing, and seems to be a major drive in the content they're releasing as is.

CCP knows now, and will not forget that reducing content while attempting to milk more money is not a good plan. But that was one hickup in a stream of successful release, from a company that consistantly pays attention and delivers what we're after. Don't forget that point.

Go ahead, give us your ideas for WiS. That, or leave this discussion to people that actually love the idea of WiS.

You can ask others to come up with ideas all day, and you will prob bash those ideas too. (that seems to be your approach anyway...) Not very constructive if you ask me...

Depends on how you define real content. *shuffles a deck of cards* One thing I know I would like, having run more than one corp, is a corp office where members can have some 'face time, and maybe play poker while we sit around and bullshit in chat.


Maybe chess for those with a more cerebral bent,.


In station stores might allow you to have discounts for alliance members, or some such thing beyond what the market currently allows.

O.o

Wat the heck are you on about?

Im asking for one single reason that WiS equates more content

No one has even made a single suggestion about what it would allow that is currently not available

So I cant have bashed any ideas already, because there havent been any.

Also, I wasnt aware that only people who were in support of the topic for discussion were allowed to discuss it?

Because thats not a discussion, bud

I do like this idea, but I would like to assume that it would be an option to do it without WiS too, for those of us that find it diffiuclt to find the processing time on limited systems to load the WiS graphics for a facility that you can do as a screen?

The key is to stop thinking of stations as just the docking interface and service buttons. Instead, imagine that when you walk through that door, you have effectively undocked, but into a different kind of space, with your avatar as a different kind of spaceship.

So objecting that WiS forces you to walk to a button that's just there in your NEOCOM anyway kind of misses the point of what's being proposed. I'm suggesting that new stuff should be added that's NOT already present in the station services - there should be new places for you to go, new resources for you to acquire and new ways for you to interact with other players, exactly as if you had undocked in a spaceship.

In space, I have to (for example) fly to a system, scan down a thing, warp to that thing, shoot the rats, hack the container, carry what I earn from hacking back to a station/POS/market hub and then either sell it, or manufacture then sell it. All while dodging or competing with other players.

What I'm proposing is something similar for WiS - I have to (for example) walk to a deck on the station, locate an unsecure data relay in the station's maintenance shafts, hack past a corporate firewall, upload my profile as a megacorporate executive with access to be there, walk into the office, steal the information and escape without being caught, then either sell or manufacture-then-sell the resources thus earned, all while dodging or competing with other players.

I think there should be combat, based around soft clones - dying on a station should come with a SERIOUS case of lost SP if you're not careful to keep your soft backup up-to-date. It should revolve around cover, and missing a lot - capsuleers aren't that tough, so getting shot should HURT. Highsec stations should be harder to smuggle stuff into, but safer from being betrayed and shot up. Lowsec stations should be much easier destinations for the contraband, but the meetings where you trade your smuggled wares for ISK should be tense affairs, with both parties having drones and escape plans for if things go badly wrong.

Stuff like that. There are all kinds of gameplay options for WiS provided we let go of the idea that you should be able to do everything in a station from the comfort and safety of home. If you want to go "off the grid" for a bit.

The funny thing is that the way I envision WiS working is very much in keeping with the current narrative arc of leaving the empires behind.

same here, but i am not sure CCP cares, no dev has commented on this thread and i think CCP just hopes WiS talk quietly goes away for another two years, rinse repeat

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Sorry if my opinion differs from yours

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

I could imagine the loading screens would be horribly-long walking around in a map the size of ~64 CQ's with hundreds of people walking around, take the trade hubs for example or alliance stations.



I'll just throw ideas out that have probably been mentioned. Vaguely described..

Stations

• Lobby with elevators to areas and customized areas to reduce loading all rooms and ppl. Preset offices are there like Concord, Medical, Bounty etc. Add a Lotto booth.
• Allow ppl in CQ to jump to any area in the station through the elevators.'
• Areas of the station can be password protected or privatized to corp/alliance/contacts only.
• Offices/Rooms can be installed:
• Corp Offices, with charts and reports, sovereignty and militia info.
• NPC Offices, make your own agents with their own abusive personalities, needs, payouts, upgrade their CV's etc. Get noobs to run some missions from your agent and maybe hint them to join your corp as a recruiting mechanism. ?
• Custom Rooms:
slots players must rent and can expire or be evicted. Different tiers and types of rooms to accommodate player gatherings:

• War Rooms, loaded with features. e.g. star map display with presets/campaigns loaded by the corp/alliance.
• Event Rooms, social gathering rooms of different tiers to accommodate different amounts of players, items, abilities etc. Such as bars, gambling games and mini games. People could probably use these as club rooms or hording frozen corpses.
• Shops, players can sell what they want. Reliable tradesman would have kept their rent up and eventually build a customer base he trades/sells -- even this can apply for a corp trying to sell things at a large scale. Shops (and public Event Rooms) can have public feedback on their information tabs and erasable after closed for a duration of time.

I think mostly roll players would use it but I think the War Room would be cool to realtime plan an op with your fleet, friends, militia, whatever group. Making your own station and getting the right people creating feasible content inside of it to generate income/traffic (or gamble it in the bar/mini games) is probably the only interest people and new comers would have in it. You're still going to have players that will never leave a Hangar and able to buy through the shop in the neocom.