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Two years later: Walking in Stations

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Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
#1 - 2013-12-06 09:18:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Baroness Vulna
So it has been over two years since the fateful walking in stations expansion Incarna. I am wondering if it ever came out; who at CCP messed up the whole walking in stations idea that badly?

I think many of us remember back in 2007 the ten ton hammer video of CCP showing us a glimpse of walking in stations, it was gorgeous and we waited anxiously for 4 years to see this come out. What we got was completely different from what was shown to us before. It was not anything like we expected or was advertised, a total let down.

So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now? Why did CCP drop development of walking in stations when all they had to do was come out with what everyone was looking forward to...walking around a station. Being able to walk up to your ship and zoom out to see the awesome size comparison.

Do you know there are sci fi games coming out that are in beta right now that allow you to walk up to your ship? After ten years of EVE and two years of incarna, why cant the biggest sci fi game in the world still not let players walk up to their awesome ships? What are you doing wrong CCP?

Concerned customer.

(edit: this thread has taken a life of its own in just hours, highlighting how much people care about WiS fore or against it. Page 9 and 10 has more of my suggestions, i really like what stitcher has said too see his comments. I hope those who support WiS, will let CCP know how they feel, its obvious that Spaceship environment inside the station is important too. Now lets hope CCP can find a way to trickle in WiS enhancements for more of it's customers who want it)

A brief history of Walking in Stations (WiS) for newer folks. In 2007 there was a video from ten ton hammer where CCP unveiled a new concept for EVE Online. Walking in stations. It was the first step toward having Avatars or characters in first person not just flying a ship around. The video for many was inspiriting.
People waited four years, CCP put out promising news and video's about the progress of Ambulation, then Incarna.
In 2011 the Incarna expansion came with tremendous anticipation from some and ire from others. Incarna was a disaster and the fallout was CCP dropped WiS almost completely to focus on spaceships.
There are many of us who still believe CCP can add to the station environment and even give us limited WiS while still focusing on our beloved spaceships.

What do you think?

(edit: just a few of my suggestions for station environment, there are many good ones already in this thread)
1. Player interaction even if it just a bar.
2. Let us walk up close to our ship as it is stationary in a dock, greater camera control so we can zoom out to see how small we are compared to the ship.
3. Show workers repairing or maintaining our ships while we stand at the dock , doing our item or market chores.
4. Show multiple ships in the dock area, not floating just stationary in a dock, side by side. Lets say we have four ships in this hangar, make it so we can see all four of them in a row docked up. Then we can really see the size difference between ships.

just a few things i hope to oneday see in EVE

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WASPY69
Xerum.
#2 - 2013-12-06 09:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
CCP clearly said in a recent statement that EVE is, in fact a game about internet spaceships, and so therein lies the primary development focus.
So don't wait up at night expecting WIS to arrive anytime soon.

*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-12-06 09:24:38 UTC
We want CCP to continue with internet spaceship fixes in this internet spaceship game.
Dextrome Thorphan
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-06 09:27:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
WASPY69 wrote:
CCP clearly said in a recent statement that EVE is, in fact a game about internet spaceships, and so therein lies the primary development focus.
So don't wait up at night expecting WIS to arrive anytime soon.
*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.


Yup but they did spend 4 years of development on it... so that was just a complete waste then?
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#5 - 2013-12-06 09:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
WASPY69 wrote:
CCP clearly said in a recent statement that EVE is, in fact a game about internet spaceships, and so therein lies the primary development focus.
So don't wait up at night expecting WIS to arrive anytime soon.
*Snip* Please refrain from discussing other (non-EvE/Dust/Valkyrie) games. ISD Ezwal.


Yup but they did spend 4 years of development on it... so that was just a complete waste then?

Have you used CQ?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-12-06 09:42:39 UTC
Baroness Vulna wrote:
So it has been over two years since the fateful walking in stations expansion Incarna. I am wondering if it ever came out; who at CCP messed up the whole walking in stations idea that badly?

I think many of us remember back in 2007 the ten ton hammer video of CCP showing us a glimpse of walking in stations, it was gorgeous and we waited anxiously for 4 years to see this come out. What we got was completely different from what was shown to us before. It was not anything like we expected or was advertised, a total let down.

So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now? Why did CCP drop development of walking in stations when all they had to do was come out with what everyone was looking forward to...walking around a station. Being able to walk up to your ship and zoom out to see the awesome size comparison.

Do you know there are sci fi games coming out that are in beta right now that allow you to walk up to your ship? After ten years of EVE and two years of incarna, why cant the biggest sci fi game in the world still not let players walk up to their awesome ships? What are you doing wrong CCP?

Concerned customer.



The players did , whith their massive revotls, riots and demands that CCP scrapped the focus on incarna in favor of SPACE. CCP lost a LOT of costumers and only started gettign them back after they complied.

THey leaarned a lesson. Do not expect anything incarna related soon.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Meskiaggaseir
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-06 09:46:14 UTC
Baroness Vulna wrote:
So it has been over two years since the fateful walking in stations expansion Incarna. I am wondering if it ever came out; who at CCP messed up the whole walking in stations idea that badly?

I think many of us remember back in 2007 the ten ton hammer video of CCP showing us a glimpse of walking in stations, it was gorgeous and we waited anxiously for 4 years to see this come out. What we got was completely different from what was shown to us before. It was not anything like we expected or was advertised, a total let down.

So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now? Why did CCP drop development of walking in stations when all they had to do was come out with what everyone was looking forward to...walking around a station. Being able to walk up to your ship and zoom out to see the awesome size comparison.

Do you know there are sci fi games coming out that are in beta right now that allow you to walk up to your ship? After ten years of EVE and two years of incarna, why cant the biggest sci fi game in the world still not let players walk up to their awesome ships? What are you doing wrong CCP?

Concerned customer.


bittervets made that decision , tey qq long enough then ccp decided to stop it , i hope tey wil cont with it , my boobs looks awesome in 3d
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#8 - 2013-12-06 09:47:49 UTC
WASPY69 wrote:
CCP clearly said in a recent statement that EVE is, in fact a game about internet spaceships, and so therein lies the primary development focus.
So don't wait up at night expecting WIS to arrive anytime soon. And on your latter question, not to promote another game, but i believe Star Citizen will have said walking in stations, or at least in your ship hangar.


You can read this as : technically it's too costly to do as our devs are spread really thin making phone apps that no one wants, and working on other games leaving eve in maintenance mode until dust, valkyrie and wod are profitable. When wod is done you might get more avatar stuff but it will be reheated metro (gallante) stuff from wod with a slight graphics pass to make it look more Sci fi.

Yes we're aware that Eve is the only game paying the bills but were run by venture capitalists who are unhappy with our present rate of profit and think that micro transactions and gold ammo is the way to pay the bills after listening to industry experts talk out of their arses about profitability and free to play models, despite the fact that we have ten years and a loyal community of subscribers that prove them all wrong.

Also we know incarna could have been the best ever game development in history but we really skimped on the implementation because we listened to so called experts instead of our players the resulting fallout was really bad press and stinging criticism that follows us around everywhere we go. We are **** scared to go down this route again especially after sacking key people that only did what we told them to do. It was not our finest hour...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
#9 - 2013-12-06 09:48:29 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:



The players did , whith their massive revotls, riots and demands that CCP scrapped the focus on incarna in favor of SPACE. CCP lost a LOT of costumers and only started gettign them back after they complied.

THey leaarned a lesson. Do not expect anything incarna related soon.



Well CCP is going to lose alot more players if they just ignore avatars and walking in stations because there are a great many players (i know of) who want that to be part of the game they play.

With competition coming, many will just go to the other games if CCP cant deliver. My point is, if one company can do a decent job with avatars and walking in station in BETA, why cant CCP do something decent for its customers who want walking in stations with their awesome internet spaceships?

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Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
#10 - 2013-12-06 09:51:15 UTC
Also the lesson CCP should have taken from incarna is to never let whoever the lead designer of incarna touch anything with EVE again, he failed horribly. Put someone in there who knows how to get the job done right, if they don't know what to do, then talk to customers and get ideas. It should not be that hard.

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Plug in Baby
Broken Hearts Love Chocolate
#11 - 2013-12-06 09:51:48 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:

Yup but they did spend 4 years of development on it... so that was just a complete waste then?


Of course not, it was just part of their development for WoD, a game which has the potential to make CCP even more money that Dust!

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.

Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-12-06 09:55:43 UTC
OP doesn't ask "Why did WiS development stop?" as everyone posting in this thread seems to assume, he asks:

Baroness Vulna wrote:
So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now?


l2r

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Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#13 - 2013-12-06 09:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck05
I don't get what the big deal about this whole wis thing is... If u want such gameplay grab GTA5 or something and hf ! Eve is about space and space ships if u add WiS then no one will be out in space anymore..we'll all be at the station's bar looking at female avatars asses all day long...

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#14 - 2013-12-06 09:58:46 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Baroness Vulna wrote:
So it has been over two years since the fateful walking in stations expansion Incarna. I am wondering if it ever came out; who at CCP messed up the whole walking in stations idea that badly?

I think many of us remember back in 2007 the ten ton hammer video of CCP showing us a glimpse of walking in stations, it was gorgeous and we waited anxiously for 4 years to see this come out. What we got was completely different from what was shown to us before. It was not anything like we expected or was advertised, a total let down.

So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now? Why did CCP drop development of walking in stations when all they had to do was come out with what everyone was looking forward to...walking around a station. Being able to walk up to your ship and zoom out to see the awesome size comparison.

Do you know there are sci fi games coming out that are in beta right now that allow you to walk up to your ship? After ten years of EVE and two years of incarna, why cant the biggest sci fi game in the world still not let players walk up to their awesome ships? What are you doing wrong CCP?

Concerned customer.



The players did , whith their massive revotls, riots and demands that CCP scrapped the focus on incarna in favor of SPACE. CCP lost a LOT of costumers and only started gettign them back after they complied.

THey leaarned a lesson. Do not expect anything incarna related soon.


Not true actually, they demanded that ccp scrap the focus on micro transactions in that nex store, this anger was hijacked by a minority of fis enthusiasts some of which sat on the csm at the time who managed to convince ccp that everyone hated non fis development when clearly that is not the case. None of the above would have happened had there not been a leaked memo from CCP entitled 'GREED IS GOOD' which outlined ideas of pay to win products for sale in the nex store.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Treborr MintingtonJr
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-06 10:18:12 UTC
What should happen is you open the 'door' and then proceed to load Dust or just the cool bit where everyone walks around just before the battle, then add the ability to do gestures like thrusting and waving (in that order).
Hemi DarkStar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-06 10:18:34 UTC
Highly unlikely they will make the same mistake twice. WiS needs a place in EVE, even if it's only a very small part of the game. Yes it's about spaceships, pew pew and all that BS, but for some it's also about the lore and immersion of EVE. And the worse thing is...CQ teases us constantly with "what could have been".

"Then just look at the hangar when you dock."

Not the same, never will be.

EVE radiates something other games fail to grasp. It's design and massive lore demand more then just spaceship fights. Hence the 2 other products of CCP. A WiS expansion that is properly implemented without damaging the economy or the precious internet spaceships would benefit the game allot, and finally attract new some new players to EVE.

Start small, ease into the process. Use lube, as some of the fanboys still are a bit butthurt from the last time. Lol

Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#17 - 2013-12-06 10:18:43 UTC
Eve's becoming the Nokia, Kodak of online games it needs a fresh look and quickly, Dust was always going to fail 80% of the player base said so, nobody listened.

Don't get me wrong I still love the game but it's more to do with friends, familiarity and the fact that it's still so large, but for how much longer? With the holidays things will pick up but there's unmistakably a gradual trend.

It's heart breaking, CCP are laying down in the road with a large bus (or two) hurtling towards it and it appears clueless as to how to pick itself up.
Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-12-06 10:25:45 UTC
Focus was in EVE until changed to vampires some time ago, as the old folks will remember, then went to DUST.

It must be now in Oculus Rift and Valkyrie, that, OFC, if the boss is the guy that make decisions there, I mean.

Ugh

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#19 - 2013-12-06 10:28:26 UTC
Captain IQ wrote:
EVE is dying
I can't quite communicate the feel I get from seeing posts saying this after having spent nearly a decade seeing posts saying this.

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Meskiaggaseir
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-12-06 10:28:39 UTC
Captain IQ wrote:
Eve's becoming the Nokia, Kodak of online games it needs a fresh look and quickly, Dust was always going to fail 80% of the player base said so, nobody listened.

Don't get me wrong I still love the game but it's more to do with friends, familiarity and the fact that it's still so large, but for how much longer? With the holidays things will pick up but there's unmistakably a gradual trend.

It's heart breaking, CCP are laying down in the road with a large bus (or two) hurtling towards it and it appears clueless as to how to pick itself up.


dust a fail you say lol
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