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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#221 - 2013-12-13 22:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Leto Thule wrote:
How do these damn "james 315 hurt my feelings" threads keep getting necro'd? This thing must have been like ten pages back! Let it die!


Miner tears run deep. 10 pages deep looking for comfort from their fellows who have been deprived of isk and ship by bump and gank. "Why, why must I pay for a permit," they wail through the cold of space. But in space, no AFK miner can hear your scream. So miners of fragile constitution seek out warmth of shared hardship here on the forums, while alt-tabbed from their barge. Hark, what is that screech piercing the quiet sobs? It is the New Order of Hisec, and permits are serious business.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
#222 - 2013-12-14 23:42:37 UTC
Em Carebear wrote:

I play the game because it lets me pretend that I'll overcome the shackles of my oppressors, as they cruelly attempt to bring me to tears. I do that because it's only a game. In real life I am probably ******. The fact stings, plain and simple.

In contrast, The Order allows people to perform similar duties and functions as a brown-shirt in Adolf Hitlers empire of tears.

I came across The Order today because we were wardec'd by a member corp, IT WOULD SEEM.
I am so excited about this opportunity to embody the same courage, strength, comradeship, diligence,
and friendship of the great and historic troublemakers, like Mandela or Gandhi or Jesus.


You are in luck, then.
Prepare for more opportunities to be like Gandhi.Big smile

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Gislin D'ahl
Perkone
Caldari State
#223 - 2013-12-15 06:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gislin D'ahl
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
I'm not familiar with the kind of thing I'm seeing here. Photoshopped links? Too young grandpas? Brahs all over the place? I feel like I'm in an 80s movie and the "bad kid" is just sputtering nonsense while lying on the ground after getting decked by Patrick Dempsey.


I don't think Patrick Dempsey ever punched anyone out when he was in his teen movies.
Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#224 - 2013-12-21 20:45:50 UTC
As an operator of a modest mining operation in Piekura I would say my only threat is from other miners reducing the profitability due to the belts being mined so quickly.

Occasionally the New Order rolls in spouting something about buying mining permits which nobody does. They normally link some kill mail from the other side of New Eden usually involving some dodgy fit mining barge. I do feel a bit of sympathy with the New Order grunts as are clearly people open to manipulation by an infamous scammer and goon, James315.

A quote from a New Order agent....
' if you have a permit you are going to be ganked even harder for being a little girl and giving into a bigger group of little girls.' - Loyalanon (Enforcer of the Code.)
Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
Deep Space Alliance
#225 - 2013-12-22 09:50:31 UTC
I like the general idea exposed by Peit Dowkol, but threads like this also make it look like the New order/CODE is the only organization that ganks miners. That is not true.
Their only difference is that a player named James 315 managed to create an out of game roleplaying content which gave birth to ingame notions like mining permit, Code and Knights of the Order (which, in French, means 'les chevaliers de l'ordre' : the name of a corp in Goonswarm).

Since then, The new order enforces the bot-aspirant usage of sensor-boosted Catalysts.

Thomas Mayaki wrote:
- Loyalanon (Enforcer of the Code.)

Oh that one is great, probably the angriest ganker I've ever seen -- always a good laugh.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Tydeth Gilitae wrote:
Overall some good advice

You don't have to stay docked to avoid being ganked, you just have to make sure that you're harder to gank than the other guys in the belt.

The day every miner fits a proper tank, doesn't AFK or bot and accepts Eve is a harsh multiplayer game where pretty much anything (currently) goes, is the day James and his merry gang of mischievous types (♥ you guys) hang up their catalysts.


This is not possible, at least for now. Unfortunetaly, there is still a good amount of high sec miners who are too greedy and lazy to defend themselves and/or stand up against suicide gankers.
They need to learn the manipulation of DScan, follow local like a hawk, make use of contact surveillance etc….. Attention

The gankers ability to become a threat for you depends on YOUR ability to counter or evade them (= highsec miner laziness and greediness feeds gankological activities all around high sec). In fact, once you start to counter them, you'll notice how lazy gankers can be (even lazier than highsec miners), how delicious ganker tears are and most importantly, how EASY it is to counter them, or evade them using the ingame tools that I mentioned above.

ps: ganking permits are available for 10m onlyBlink

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com

Fatalll Error
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2013-12-22 14:44:45 UTC
hmm you have it backwards.

1. shitfit a mining ship as cheap as possible

2. insult the order as much as possible until you get ganked.

3. repeat as necessary.

4. add killers on alt, use locator agents, see where they are/what they fly.

5. harvest kill rights.
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
#227 - 2013-12-22 16:16:00 UTC
Fatalll Error wrote:
hmm you have it backwards.

1. shitfit a mining ship as cheap as possible

2. insult the order as much as possible until you get ganked.

3. repeat as necessary.

4. add killers on alt, use locator agents, see where they are/what they fly.

5. harvest kill rights.


You must be new here. Let us know how that plan works out for you.Big smile

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#228 - 2013-12-22 20:17:33 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Fatalll Error wrote:
hmm you have it backwards.

1. shitfit a mining ship as cheap as possible

2. insult the order as much as possible until you get ganked.

3. repeat as necessary.

4. add killers on alt, use locator agents, see where they are/what they fly.

5. harvest kill rights.


You must be new here. Let us know how that plan works out for you.Big smile

I would be impressed if I ever saw kill rights harvested on a NO ganker for any cost over 10 mill. Fatalll, if you need some kill rights on me, let me know where I can find you. You can even skip steps 1,2 and 3.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2013-12-24 11:03:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
As an operator of a modest mining operation in Piekura I would say my only threat is from other miners reducing the profitability due to the belts being mined so quickly.

Occasionally the New Order rolls in spouting something about buying mining permits which nobody does. They normally link some kill mail from the other side of New Eden usually involving some dodgy fit mining barge. I do feel a bit of sympathy with the New Order grunts as are clearly people open to manipulation by an infamous scammer and goon, James315.


Visited Piekura last night. I remember linking some killmails. Pretty sure.. oh yeah, from Piekura. The tears were even better than the kills.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Nu'adu
Kenshin.
The Initiative.
#230 - 2013-12-24 14:19:57 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Fatalll Error wrote:
hmm you have it backwards.

1. shitfit a mining ship as cheap as possible

2. insult the order as much as possible until you get ganked.

3. repeat as necessary.

4. add killers on alt, use locator agents, see where they are/what they fly.

5. harvest kill rights.


You must be new here. Let us know how that plan works out for you.Big smile


Kill rights are serious business, need I remind you of Mine Teck?
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#231 - 2014-01-24 22:01:01 UTC
Why you call this thing as minerbumping? Shouldnt it be more like hisec harassing or something? I mean you guys suicide ganking empty shuttles because they dared to use autopilot in hisec. Also you call autopiloting shuttle in hisec as "botting".
You guys so pathetic...

"In fact, you were carefully selected for destruction because you were caught "botting", engaging in automated play such as AFK mining or autopiloting, or some other act of bot-aspirancy."
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
#232 - 2014-01-24 22:39:17 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Why you call this thing as minerbumping? Shouldnt it be more like hisec harassing or something? I mean you guys suicide ganking empty shuttles because they dared to use autopilot in hisec. Also you call autopiloting shuttle in hisec as "botting".
You guys so pathetic...

"In fact, you were carefully selected for destruction because you were caught "botting", engaging in automated play such as AFK mining or autopiloting, or some other act of bot-aspirancy."


Your name is apt, Retardo.Blink

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James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2014-01-25 07:52:36 UTC
I started to agree with the OP and then it started to smell like an alt. Well played.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

Dalto Bane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2014-01-25 09:22:42 UTC
James 315 and the New Order are best described as Anti-Heros. They partake in activities that may seem like harassment and bullying at face value, but ultimately are for the greater good, whether it force CCP's hand to fix an obvious flaw, as in dropping Corp, Corp Hopping, Forever NPC Corps, AFK mining, botting, etc. all tactics they use are being used by the "good guys" to avoid conflict. Limiting what New Order does limits what everybody does.

Now, let me also acknowledge that I am not an alt of a New Order Pilot, nor a troll. I actually participate in mining ops from time to time and have not, nor will not purchase a "mining permit". I will however always greet a New Order scout so they know that I am at least at the computer and will always so respect to anyone in the system with me at the time, even if they are out to gank me. If and when the time comes and they decide to bring in 50 catalyst to pop me, then it was my time and I should have paid better attention and been more cautious. Bottom line is that between the NPC Corp Carebears and New Order, the lesser of the two evils has my vote, and that is New Order.

Drops Mic

Mortis Betruger
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#235 - 2014-01-25 13:01:33 UTC
all ******* miners must die
Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#236 - 2014-01-25 13:48:25 UTC
Mortis Betruger wrote:
herp-a-derpity-doo
Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#237 - 2014-01-25 17:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Retardo Khaan
Dalto Bane wrote:
James 315 and the New Order are best described as Anti-Heros. They partake in activities that may seem like harassment and bullying at face value, but ultimately are for the greater good, whether it force CCP's hand to fix an obvious flaw, as in dropping Corp, Corp Hopping, Forever NPC Corps, AFK mining, botting, etc. all tactics they use are being used by the "good guys" to avoid conflict. Limiting what New Order does limits what everybody does.

Now, let me also acknowledge that I am not an alt of a New Order Pilot, nor a troll. I actually participate in mining ops from time to time and have not, nor will not purchase a "mining permit". I will however always greet a New Order scout so they know that I am at least at the computer and will always so respect to anyone in the system with me at the time, even if they are out to gank me. If and when the time comes and they decide to bring in 50 catalyst to pop me, then it was my time and I should have paid better attention and been more cautious. Bottom line is that between the NPC Corp Carebears and New Order, the lesser of the two evils has my vote, and that is New Order.


What so wrong with NPC corps? Or you talking about carebears in NPC corps. How you even identify one? Surely not by one being in NPC corp or not by one having positive sec status. Maybe if you cought one in mission or something. I myself for example dont have any need or desire to be in player corp atm alltho ive been in those aswell. I dont need player corp what im doing right now with this char. So should i make my own one man corp just keep NPC corp haters happy? Im not carebear alt either as i dont do any PVE with this char. However i have done in past when this char was in player corp and lived in null thats why positive sec status...

Anyways i see this thing as organized harassing project against hisec. Smells like bunch of schoolyard bullys to me. I dont like such being a **** attitude and harassing ppl just for fun because they need to do something in hisec.

Also i dont really undestand your comment about greater good. How is it greater good for eve if you cant use autopilot in shuttle while flying trough hisec?

Dont get me wrong i dont even live in hisec myself and very rarely visit there anyway. But i have used autopilot in shuttle few times in hisec.. I have also autopiloted semi afk few times with shuttle. I know thats terrible and ruins eve totally.. Right?
Naydra Adni
Doomheim
#238 - 2014-01-25 18:07:23 UTC
Retardo Khaan wrote:
Dalto Bane wrote:
James 315 and the New Order are best described as Anti-Heros. They partake in activities that may seem like harassment and bullying at face value, but ultimately are for the greater good, whether it force CCP's hand to fix an obvious flaw, as in dropping Corp, Corp Hopping, Forever NPC Corps, AFK mining, botting, etc. all tactics they use are being used by the "good guys" to avoid conflict. Limiting what New Order does limits what everybody does.

Now, let me also acknowledge that I am not an alt of a New Order Pilot, nor a troll. I actually participate in mining ops from time to time and have not, nor will not purchase a "mining permit". I will however always greet a New Order scout so they know that I am at least at the computer and will always so respect to anyone in the system with me at the time, even if they are out to gank me. If and when the time comes and they decide to bring in 50 catalyst to pop me, then it was my time and I should have paid better attention and been more cautious. Bottom line is that between the NPC Corp Carebears and New Order, the lesser of the two evils has my vote, and that is New Order.


What so wrong with NPC corps? Or you talking about carebears in NPC corps. How you even identify one? Surely not by one being in NPC corp or not by one having positive sec status. Maybe if you cought one in mission or something. I myself for example dont have any need or desire to be in player corp atm alltho ive been in those aswell. I dont need player corp what im doing right now with this char. So should i make my own one man corp just keep NPC corp haters happy? Im not carebear alt either as i dont do any PVE with this char. However i have done in past when this char was in player corp and lived in null thats why positive sec status...

Anyways i see this thing as organized harassing project against hisec. Smells like bunch of schoolyard bullys to me. I dont like such being a **** attitude and harassing ppl just for fun because they need to do something in hisec.

Also i dont really undestand your comment about greater good. How is it greater good for eve if you cant use autopilot in shuttle while flying trough hisec?

Dont get me wrong i dont even live in hisec myself and very rarely visit there anyway. But i have used autopilot in shuttle few times in hisec.. I have also autopiloted semi afk few times with shuttle. I know thats terrible and ruins eve totally.. Right?



why? because they say so!!

that and they cry long, long rivers of tears... tears that sell for way, way more than carebear tears
(but they call their pouting "citing the CODE").
James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2014-01-25 20:16:08 UTC
Mortis Betruger wrote:
all ******* miners must die

Good luck finding any ships then that are affordable.

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#240 - 2014-01-26 01:21:00 UTC
Zombie movies aren't enough..? We need zombie threads, too?

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