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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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Peit Dowkol
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-05-24 08:41:16 UTC

I am a highsec miner. This is my main source of income in the EvE game. As a miner I make profits and during these activities I incur expenses. This is business at its most basic. I believe that there are a huge percentage of EvE pilots who are able to constantly increase their profit margins by progression in skills, equipment and knowledge. I’d like to think that I’m one of them.

I have never (as yet) been killed and/or podded by members of this Order. I have been ‘bumped’ on odd occasions (if that’s what getting out of harm’s way means). With this in mind, I’d like to give a little bit of advice to my fellow miners.

1. Above all else remember that EvE is a game. Never, ever expect to be treated fairly. I am constantly amazed at the anger and abuse that is heaped on James 315 and his/her associates (we must remember that in- game characters may be operated by different sex players) by other pilots that have been dealt with by the Order (and others that have not) as they forget this most basic tenet.

2. Glean intelligence. Regularly check the killboards for your local mining area for recent activity. Learn who your local ganker/bumpers are. Put them in your contact watch lists. It is up to you if you wish to widely make this information known. I would recommend not, since you do not wish to antagonize these pilots as they go about their business as it is hard enough for them as it is. When they are online, you take an obvious risk. Find out if they are online at regular periods and if so, mine when they are asleep. No, don’t mine when you’re asleep as it can have a deliberating in game effect. This brings me to my next point.

3. Go and do something else. Surely you do more than mining? No? Then you deserved to be ganked. Now may be the time to explore, mission, buy, sell, communicate. Can’t think of anything? Well, get off-line and do some gardening then.

4. Unfortunately, my local mining colleagues are an un-communicative bunch at best. I don’t know if this is a trend. I hope not. If James 315 can organize what seems to me, to be an impressive business attracting investor funds and notoriety, then surely a few miners couldn’t put their heads together to figure out a few ways of at least making life a little more difficult for the activities of this Order? I do not mine afk and I like to increase my mining output by the simple expedient of fleeting and to this end I have concentrated part of my skills to give myself and fellow miners boosts. Since my corporation currently consists of me and my combat missioning buddy we don’t have much chance to fleet mine. I often ask my local fellow miners if they’d like to fleet. It’s a friendly gesture, since we both make more ISK and I’ve always paid the communication fee for new contacts. Generally I’m met with suspicion, stony silence or a few lame excuses. Sure, I understand that my fellow miner may not understand English, or that they may only be online a little while longer ….but Jeez…no wonder we’re a hunted bunch.

5. If you really must mine because maybe you are a little crazy after all, then dust off that old mining frigate and create another pilot that really couldn’t care less if he got his head blown off, go to where the big boys are mining and maybe you’ll see what an exploding Hulk looks like from the gallery.

6. “As a miner I make profits and during these activities I incur expenses”. Now where have I heard that before? If you wish to mine and make great wads of ISK whilst The New Order is operating in your area then you could pay James 315 his ‘indulgence’ fee of 10 million ISK per annum. Let’s put this in perspective. If you mine in a barge or exhumer with T2 crystals and good skills, you’d have to be earning around that in an hour at the very least. This means that one hour of your mining life per year is dedicated to support Mr James 315 and his associates. I guess the jury is out on that one, and I hope that he hasn’t read down this far and decided to up the ante.

7. When you communicate with The New Order put your tongue firmly in your cheek, do not put your foot in your mouth, never be armed to the teeth, be civil and learn how to use a spellchecker or you’ll end up providing amusing entertainment as Mr Spark2Universe no doubt has.

8. You may have your own opinion on the activities of the New Order and the sheer gall of Mr James 315, but he seems an intelligent, articulate and dedicated sort of a guy wanting to make a profit in this world of New Eden. After all, don’t we all? And I may yet pay him his indulgence.
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-05-24 08:45:02 UTC
There is literally a sticky thread by a GM in this very forum that says bumping is legitimate and acceptable.

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rswfire
#3 - 2013-05-24 09:15:20 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There is literally a sticky thread by a GM in this very forum that says bumping is legitimate and acceptable.


Well, I read his entire post, and nowhere does he begrudge being bumped. Ever. He actually makes a lot of excellent points that miners would be wise to listen to. Everything about this post was respectful and constructive.
texas queens
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-05-24 09:44:19 UTC
Oh the tears of unfathomable sadness, Mmm... yummy
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#5 - 2013-05-24 09:53:55 UTC
Hmm...

The Goonswarm comments here either show an inability to read, or an inability to troll, neither of which I had assumed to be true of the great and glorious GSF.

+1 at least to the OP. Not only does he recommend the purchase of official Mining Permits, he is giving proper and sensible advice to those who continue to show extremely low standards in their chosen profession.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#6 - 2013-05-24 09:56:09 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There is literally a sticky thread by a GM in this very forum that says bumping is legitimate and acceptable.


There is literally a whole post above you'res which could you know be read and understood before you do a cut and paste reply.

Only thing wrong with the post is it should be in the mining bit not the **** waving section.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-05-24 10:05:52 UTC
texas queens wrote:
Oh the tears of unfathomable sadness, Mmm... yummy


1 Universal demerit for you.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Darth Bri
Maniaci Dello Spazio
#8 - 2013-05-24 13:08:55 UTC
texas queens wrote:
Oh the tears of unfathomable sadness, Mmm... yummy



60% of the time, you're wrong all the time
Bob Blunts
#9 - 2013-05-24 19:49:55 UTC
Darth Bri wrote:
texas queens wrote:
Oh the tears of unfathomable sadness, Mmm... yummy



60% of the time, you're wrong all the time



To be fair the OP did start his post with "I am a hi-sec miner..." Generally this indicates that an uninformed, irrational and tear-soaked post is about to follow. Can't really blame texas for playing the odds on this one.
Slutvana Khorkina
Bad Touches
#10 - 2013-05-25 08:33:47 UTC
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4. Unfortunately, my local mining colleagues are an un-communicative bunch at best. I don’t know if this is a trend. I hope not.


They are un-communicative because they are AFK. They come back every 20 minutes to empty, then return (heaven help me) to the exact same spot, press F1, then go back to playing Minecraft or doing their laundry. The really good ones press F1 and 20 mackinaws all start mining. It.. sickens me. Thank you for bringing this up. I haven't ganked a miner in days. I will fix that today.

"Imagine the kind of stories people would read about EVE if the carebears got their wish. 'In EVE Online, some people mined. They arranged their mining lasers, and then they did something else for several minutes. Sign up for your free 14 day trial now!'" -- James 315

Litair
Nleesh
#11 - 2013-05-25 12:36:31 UTC
I feel quite ill now, the amount of brown nosing for James and obsessive focus on people's skills in English grammar is staggering.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#12 - 2013-05-25 13:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
You, sir, are a model other miners should emulate.

You are playing EVE, not ISK Progressquest.

If your competition are causing you trouble, sit next to them in a Skiff and tell the Order you'll provide warpins.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#13 - 2013-05-25 19:00:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
I am actually very happily surprised the OP is able to clearly communicate his thoughts, some of which I agree with. I've found most miners are not nearly this intelligent.

I propose that instead of suggesting miners band together to oppose the New Order, the OP should instead buy a large block of shares. There is far more good that he can achieve by voting with his wallet in important shareholder matters than he can by posting ideas in the forum.

I would not be one of the largest shareholders in the New Order if James 315 and his knights were not of the strongest moral character.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-05-25 23:59:00 UTC
hi-sec carebears, doing their homework? What kind of game do you think this is?

edit: you sir, need to stop mining and join the hunters.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.

Silvara Nocturn
Nocturn Industries
#15 - 2013-05-26 08:42:49 UTC
Did you just say that you like being the target of extortion rackets in a forum filled with pirates?
Zappity
Kurved Trading
#16 - 2013-05-26 10:22:39 UTC
Hmm... I didn't think it would be possible for my respect for goons to decrease any further. But then they posted!

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Nuglord
BURN EDEN
NullSechnaya Sholupen
#17 - 2013-05-26 11:00:01 UTC
I read the first five words of the first post and started laughing.
Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#18 - 2013-05-26 16:19:47 UTC
James getting the alts out ?

Why doN't you come back to Osmon

I want to see you James 315

I want you to bump my frail mackinaw with your huge stabber

All

Night

Long

I sell drones and drones accessories.

Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-05-26 19:34:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
Peit Dowkol wrote:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOST


I wish there were more miners like you. Ever would be a better place.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#20 - 2013-05-26 23:10:16 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Hmm... I didn't think it would be possible for my respect for goons to decrease any further. But then they posted!


Why do people assume NO supporters are Goons?

Goons run NBSI and I'm not blue to them. If I went into Goon space, I'd be hunted down.

Yet people assume I'm one of them because I support an initiative of a former mid-ranking Goon that no longer lives in nullsec?

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

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