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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#361 - 2014-04-14 03:43:02 UTC
Euripedies wrote:

A fun thing would be to post a falcon at the ice belt, wait for the ganker to arrive, jam them, let concord do the rest.

Anyone have a fun way to catch gankers?


It sounds fun, and we have had antis who have done this fairly effectively. But the counter is pretty easy too. My favorite way of getting rid of them was to go watch an episode of Futurama and have a sandwich while staying docked in station. The fun seriously deteriorates when there are no gankers to jam. Without fail, every white knight who tried to stop me left to look elsewhere to prey. Then I'd get right back to ganking my weasly black guts out.

You can read this post on minerbumping to see how trying to camp in a freighter ganking fleet goes. Basically, its boring, so very boring. So boring that the white knights amuse themselves by watching youtube videos or other AFK endeavors. Then things blow up. Later you begin to realize that you are protecting pilots who are doing absolutely nothing to protect themselves. They aren't even thankful you are there. To be thankful they'd have to not be AFK. Then the white knights leave to do something fun. Then more things blow up.

Any way, if you go Falcon, put all Gallente specific jams and dual sebos. Also, tank your ship and don't dare go AFK in space. Because if we can't have the mackinaw, we'd surely love a Falcon killmail.

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Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
#362 - 2014-04-14 07:43:41 UTC
And of course the very best way to avoid being ganked by the New Order is to invest in a license, properly tank your ship and obey the Code. 100% of the time it works every time.
Luwc
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#363 - 2014-04-14 08:29:49 UTC
+1 for the tears.

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Sawdeth Alumini
NECROM0NGERS
CONVERT OR DIE
#364 - 2014-04-17 20:34:39 UTC
Mitsushige Shingen wrote:
Glory to the New Order!

All those that deliberately hold back individuals from achieving true happiness shall be purged.

Individuals that brainwash our brothers and sisters into believing mining for all eternity and then mining some more, because they've brainwashed them into believing that it is the route to happiness, will not be tolerated! It is unacceptable.

James 315 is doing a grand service. Unfortunately many of our brothers and sisters are so wrapped up in these insane delusions perpetrated by the hate-infused "Carebears", they refuse to open their eyes and embrace enlightenment.

All in due time though, The New Order wasn't built in a day.


Touching speech, but I'm afraid you're the one who's been brainwashed. James 315 doesn't care about you, he thinks that you're a pawn. He'll exterminate you just as he did to one of his officers.
Sawdeth Alumini
NECROM0NGERS
CONVERT OR DIE
#365 - 2014-04-17 20:37:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sawdeth Alumini
Clara Pond wrote:
And of course the very best way to avoid being ganked by the New Order is to invest in a license, properly tank your ship and obey the Code. 100% of the time it works every time.


Wrong. The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels, dock up and get into a pvp ship to fight them. If he pops the ship and pods your capsule send a kill right made to everyone with a certain price.
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Doomheim
#366 - 2014-04-17 20:51:45 UTC
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:
Mitsushige Shingen wrote:
Glory to the New Order!

All those that deliberately hold back individuals from achieving true happiness shall be purged.

Individuals that brainwash our brothers and sisters into believing mining for all eternity and then mining some more, because they've brainwashed them into believing that it is the route to happiness, will not be tolerated! It is unacceptable.

James 315 is doing a grand service. Unfortunately many of our brothers and sisters are so wrapped up in these insane delusions perpetrated by the hate-infused "Carebears", they refuse to open their eyes and embrace enlightenment.

All in due time though, The New Order wasn't built in a day.


Touching speech, but I'm afraid you're the one who's been brainwashed. James 315 doesn't care about you, he thinks that you're a pawn. He'll exterminate you just as he did to one of his officers.

That's very interesting to hear, I'm as anti-CODE as the next guy but not a fan of fabricated
storys of officer extermination.So please explain futher if you will.

p.s. I didn't know you CODE guys had commisioned officers.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2014-04-17 21:15:22 UTC
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:
Clara Pond wrote:
And of course the very best way to avoid being ganked by the New Order is to invest in a license, properly tank your ship and obey the Code. 100% of the time it works every time.


Wrong. The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels, dock up and get into a pvp ship to fight them. If he pops the ship and pods your capsule send a kill right made to everyone with a certain price.


I recommend you make the killright available for.... 1 million isk!

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Bumsicle Wedgie
Doomheim
#368 - 2014-04-17 21:16:32 UTC
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:


The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels.



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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#369 - 2014-04-17 21:50:26 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:
Clara Pond wrote:
And of course the very best way to avoid being ganked by the New Order is to invest in a license, properly tank your ship and obey the Code. 100% of the time it works every time.


Wrong. The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels, dock up and get into a pvp ship to fight them. If he pops the ship and pods your capsule send a kill right made to everyone with a certain price.

This is flat out the worst advice I have ever seen given in regards to not getting ganked. 95% of the time miner gankers don't fit scrams because the target will die before they finish aligning. You are much better off fitting a tank and carrying some ecm drones.

Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:
Mitsushige Shingen wrote:
Glory to the New Order!

All those that deliberately hold back individuals from achieving true happiness shall be purged.

Individuals that brainwash our brothers and sisters into believing mining for all eternity and then mining some more, because they've brainwashed them into believing that it is the route to happiness, will not be tolerated! It is unacceptable.

James 315 is doing a grand service. Unfortunately many of our brothers and sisters are so wrapped up in these insane delusions perpetrated by the hate-infused "Carebears", they refuse to open their eyes and embrace enlightenment.

All in due time though, The New Order wasn't built in a day.


Touching speech, but I'm afraid you're the one who's been brainwashed. James 315 doesn't care about you, he thinks that you're a pawn. He'll exterminate you just as he did to one of his officers.

That's very interesting to hear, I'm as anti-CODE as the next guy but not a fan of fabricated
storys of officer extermination.So please explain futher if you will.

p.s. I didn't know you CODE guys had commisioned officers.

I didn't know we had either. Apparently we have a diplomat now though.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#370 - 2014-04-17 21:51:45 UTC
double post.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#371 - 2014-04-18 01:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:
Wrong. The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels

Barges and exhumers take approx. 10-15 seconds to align, if you're the intended target, not already aligned and accelerating before the gankers hit the belt, you're dead before you hit warp; unless you've fitted a proper tank, or are using a Procurer or a Skiff; regardless of your warp stabs.

A DC is a far better module to put in the lows.

TL;DR Stop with the disinformation. Anyone following your advice is signing their own death warrant, they're going to die.

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#372 - 2014-04-18 03:16:57 UTC
And kill rights are kind of irrelevant when the gankers are 100% legal to shoot all the time anyway.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#373 - 2014-04-18 04:09:50 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:

Wrong. The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels, dock up and get into a pvp ship to fight them. If he pops the ship and pods your capsule send a kill right made to everyone with a certain price.

This is flat out the worst advice I have ever seen given in regards to not getting ganked. 95% of the time miner gankers don't fit scrams because the target will die before they finish aligning. You are much better off fitting a tank and carrying some ecm drones.



Really? Have you seen the advice given out in New Citizens? I gave up posting there because you can't actually give anyone good advice without bad things happening to your post or the thread.

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General Lemming
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#374 - 2014-04-18 09:43:08 UTC
Confirming James 316,5 is my alt. Big smile
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#375 - 2014-04-18 16:26:17 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Sawdeth Alumini wrote:

Wrong. The only way to avoid being ganked by the new order is to put stabs on your mining vessels, dock up and get into a pvp ship to fight them. If he pops the ship and pods your capsule send a kill right made to everyone with a certain price.

This is flat out the worst advice I have ever seen given in regards to not getting ganked. 95% of the time miner gankers don't fit scrams because the target will die before they finish aligning. You are much better off fitting a tank and carrying some ecm drones.



Really? Have you seen the advice given out in New Citizens? I gave up posting there because you can't actually give anyone good advice without bad things happening to your post or the thread.

Honestly the advice in the new citizen section is usually not that bad. We might disagree with the anti-New Order bias there, but the overall tone of most posts is don't afk, tank your ship, and maybe bring a white knight with you. Every once in a while some idiot recommends yield tanking, but if they want to lose their ship, who are we not to oblige them?

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Xuixien
Black Echelon
#376 - 2014-04-22 17:23:08 UTC
I keep a couple of alts in anti-ganking channels. These people stake their entire self-worth on stopping a single gank. Therefore it's easy to gank despite them if you put your alts in Catalysts and appear dangerous in a different belt. More than once I had a character, with absolutely no combat skills, drawn a Griffon or a Falcon out of the belt, and then I ganked in that belt with my main.

After you do that a couple of times, they feel so helpless and worthless and defeated that they often give up the endeavor entirely.

Also the number of white-knight ECM pilots is very, very small. It's very easy to get them all to watch-list and just avoid them.

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Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#377 - 2014-04-23 06:29:31 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Euripedies wrote:

A fun thing would be to post a falcon at the ice belt, wait for the ganker to arrive, jam them, let concord do the rest.

Anyone have a fun way to catch gankers?


It sounds fun, and we have had antis who have done this fairly effectively. But the counter is pretty easy too. My favorite way of getting rid of them was to go watch an episode of Futurama and have a sandwich while staying docked in station. The fun seriously deteriorates when there are no gankers to jam. Without fail, every white knight who tried to stop me left to look elsewhere to prey. Then I'd get right back to ganking my weasly black guts out.

You can read this post on minerbumping to see how trying to camp in a freighter ganking fleet goes. Basically, its boring, so very boring. So boring that the white knights amuse themselves by watching youtube videos or other AFK endeavors. Then things blow up. Later you begin to realize that you are protecting pilots who are doing absolutely nothing to protect themselves. They aren't even thankful you are there. To be thankful they'd have to not be AFK. Then the white knights leave to do something fun. Then more things blow up.

Any way, if you go Falcon, put all Gallente specific jams and dual sebos. Also, tank your ship and don't dare go AFK in space. Because if we can't have the mackinaw, we'd surely love a Falcon killmail.


AFK stationing tends to drive them away.
Akashi Suenobu
Raven's Flight
#378 - 2014-04-24 18:16:44 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Hmm...

The Goonswarm comments here either show an inability to read, or an inability to troll, neither of which I had assumed to be true of the great and glorious GSF.

+1 at least to the OP. Not only does he recommend the purchase of official Mining Permits, he is giving proper and sensible advice to those who continue to show extremely low standards in their chosen profession.



Everybody knows Goons can't read.
Abulurd Boniface
CORE BUSINESS
#379 - 2014-04-25 12:40:17 UTC
Peit Dowkol wrote:

6. “As a miner I make profits and during these activities I incur expenses”. Now where have I heard that before? If you wish to mine and make great wads of ISK whilst The New Order is operating in your area then you could pay James 315 his ‘indulgence’ fee of 10 million ISK per annum. Let’s put this in perspective. If you mine in a barge or exhumer with T2 crystals and good skills, you’d have to be earning around that in an hour at the very least. This means that one hour of your mining life per year is dedicated to support Mr James 315 and his associates. I guess the jury is out on that one, and I hope that he hasn’t read down this far and decided to up the ante.



I want to say that I gladly support my colleague in his thoughtful remarks on mining in hi-sec and the risks involved in same.

On point 6 though I simply cannot concur. I am a pod pilot, just as the ganker is. I pay tribute to -no one- for the right to mine. most certainly not as a protection racket. It is very true that the amount of ISK requested, be it 10mil/annum or 10mil/month [I am not familiar with the exact details of the operation], is throwaway money. It is less than trivial. I chuck that out when I'm bored and want to play with ISK doublers.

CODE is known to attack pilots without even going through the 'pay us and you'll live' routine, as a new pilot I have been flying with was attacked without warning or provocation by one of CODE's number. Concord thankfully put a stop to this unwarranted aggression and my friend was left with their ship intact.

The point though is that for that license the pilot 'buys', they are required to put a message in their bio, stating they paid the protection fee. They are now owned by CODE and they [proudly?] pronounce it. In that fashion the pod pilot's sovereignty to act as they see fit, is compromised for a pittance. They can now only operate through explicit permission from CODE.

I ask my fellow miners: why would you call yourself a pod pilot if you have to buy a token before you can do what you want to do? Rise to the occasion. You worked for your ISK, you owe nobody anything, and most certainly not as a miner. There is a good chance that the ship they use to blow up yours was at least in part built with the minerals you gathered.

This is not a rant against gankers/bumpers. I do not agree with their actions, they are still an integral part of the experience. Fellow-miners: work around them, don't bemoan their presence.