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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#181 - 2013-09-05 13:24:07 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
I think the RP aspect is very relevant actually, and DOES justify this activity. HiSec, without any element of risk, can be pretty boring. New Order and their band of merry murderers are spicing things up in the systems they operate in by adding risk to a profession that is so damned boring it's not funny.

RP aside, they're also doing a favor to those who actively mine... while at their keys, for the minerals they need. It can be infuriating as a miner who's trying to eke out a living by harvesting some resources for their industrial projects, only to have a swarm of afk bot-wannabes drop into their belt and procede to devour all the roids in record time.

Rather than whinge, criticize or suggest these folks go to null/lowsec my recommendation is to adapt. If you must think of mining as a PVE activity, don't forget the E part of that. Your environment is more than the pretty space backdrop you float in, the other players in the game do influence it. If you fail to adapt to changes in said environment then you are going to have a a hard time with it.

Personally, I've never had a barge/exhumer ganked, but that's not for lack of trying. On the occasions I've had folks try generally by the time they started locking onto me I was already well into warping away. The only reason I wasn't space junk in those situations is that I never for one second assumed I was safe. I have to admit, it also made mining almost exciting when that happened tho. Not afraid of losing my ship any more, more worried about getting popped while driving something that's shitfit, as it's just embarrassing.

Precisely this.^

When I drop into a belt with a Gankalyst and barges start warping away, I've added content to every one of their games... not just to that of the bumbling bonehead I'm taoddling over towards. I don't have to lock a miner up to add a jolt of adrenaline to their play; the mere presence of a predator in their belt gets their hearts pumping a bit faster, sets their minds to rapid survival calculations, stirs things up.

I don't even need to succeed in making a kill... A suddenly-empty belt is a victory for me, and all those quick-witted miners? They just had a bit of content added, plus the righteous glee of having escaped intact. Everyone is happy.
Beside, frankly, if you fall to my bumbling slow-boat ganking-style, you're bad at EVE, and deserve to feel bad as you contemplate your lossmail.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#182 - 2013-09-05 15:35:04 UTC
Ange Noire wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
[quote=Ange Noire]



false religion


There is another kind? Shocked

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#183 - 2013-09-05 18:21:12 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Ange Noire wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
[quote=Ange Noire]



false religion


There is another kind? Shocked
Certainly.

There are things which can be, have been, and are venerated that have objective existance beyond the veneration.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#184 - 2013-09-05 18:30:35 UTC
^^

Do what?

Lol...

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#185 - 2013-09-05 23:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Someone wrote:
someone else wrote:
yet someone else wrote:


false religion


There is another kind? Shocked
Certainly.

There are things which can be, have been, and are venerated that have objective existance beyond the veneration.
Leto Thule wrote:
^^

Do what?

Lol...

Bacon

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#186 - 2013-09-06 04:18:05 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
^^

Do what?

Lol...

IPU.
FSM.
J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs.

In some countries. Penii. And Vulva (actual true fact).


And, as Jonah so correctly points out: Bacon.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#187 - 2013-09-06 15:53:36 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
^^

Do what?

Lol...

Football, dude. American or otherwise, it doesn't matter. Whole nations drop what they're doing to warship at the alter of their national teams.

Other sports as well, such as cricket. Basketball. Baseball. The temples raised to sport are vast and costly, but attendance is huge and fevrent. We raise our children up in worship of the heoros and prophets of sport, and sacrifice mightily of our earnings and time in service to the Gods of sport. Tell me that that is not a functional description of religion. Go ahead... I dare ya.
Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#188 - 2013-09-09 02:15:23 UTC
you had me at Bacon? Where is the temple to the Bacon god? I have not found it yet, do they pass out Bacon communion? Idea
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2013-09-09 13:55:26 UTC
Ressiv wrote:
Peit Dowkol wrote:

4. I often ask my local fellow miners if they’d like to fleet. It’s a friendly gesture, since we both make more ISK and I’ve always paid the communication fee for new contacts. Generally I’m met with suspicion, stony silence or a few lame excuses. Sure, I understand that my fellow miner may not understand English, or that they may only be online a little while longer ….but Jeez…no wonder we’re a hunted bunch.


You are aware that you can shoot fleetmembers without concord bothering to check if this friendly fire truly IS friendly ?


You are aware that this has been removed several years ago?
Omar Alharazaad
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#190 - 2013-09-09 14:05:13 UTC
Also in favor of Bacon. (note the capitalization, not a mistake) Newest acquisition, catalyst BPO. It's shiny and stuff, time to set it to cook for a couple months before starting to brew lots of little miner seekers for sale.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Unknowen 1217B
Doomheim
#191 - 2013-09-09 14:23:52 UTC
So tell me little kids (James 315 and the New Order of Highsec), where is challenge of destroying a ship that can't fight back. I mean really, I understand the whold thing eve is not safe, but what you are doing is nothing no more then beating someone in RL that's tied up. And the whole 10m permit thing makes me laugh so hard I pass out.

Soon my main and corp will be heading your way so we can laugh when your ships go boom boom Lol

Omar Alharazaad
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#192 - 2013-09-09 14:45:34 UTC
Truthfully, their targets pose no challenge whatsoever, because they're not playing the game. A miner who is actually playing the game can take any number of measures to ensure that they don't get ganked... and I'm not talking about buying a permit. Hell, being at the keys is half the battle. Spending that idle time while waiting for the strips to cycle doing things like checking local and fiddling with Derpscan can drastically increase a miner's chance of survival. Whenever this debate comes up I keep thinking of the opening scene from "Way of The Gun"... "there are some fights you just can't win, however, you can ruin the other guy's victory" or something like that... With a little effort and the whole paying attention thing you can completely ****-block a gank attempt. Or you can make it so all they see is your tail-lights receding into the distance as they try to lock on. Miners are NOT helpless, we just tend to have a lot of bad habits we need to shed if we intend on surviving in the world of New Eden.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Omar Alharazaad
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#193 - 2013-09-09 14:50:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
and in case you were wondering, no I'm not a shareholder in the New Order. I am not sucking up, and I do expect them to try to blast me to bits at any time I lower my guard. I try to be wary, and if they actually manage to pop my Mack I'll be sad... mostly because my fit was probably crappy... but if I make them work for it and come up with a 'cunning plan" a-la Baldric from Black Adder, and it works you know damn well I'll tell them 'nicely done" despite my loss. It's just a game.

Edited: I used a naughty word. I fixed this.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#194 - 2013-09-09 14:50:40 UTC
Unknowen 1217B wrote:
So tell me little kids (James 315 and the New Order of Highsec), where is challenge of destroying a ship that can't fight back. I mean really, I understand the whold thing eve is not safe, but what you are doing is nothing no more then beating someone in RL that's tied up. And the whole 10m permit thing makes me laugh so hard I pass out.

Soon my main and corp will be heading your way so we can laugh when your ships go boom boom Lol



The challenge is the combating the widespread bot-aspirancy. We've been at this for a year now but there are still many hisec systems filled with filthy afk and bot-like scum. We will persevere, though, we have the resolve.

If you're regularly passing out you may have a serious health issue, for a mere 10m I will provide my E-Doctor services
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#195 - 2013-09-09 15:13:10 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Unknowen 1217B wrote:
So tell me little kids (James 315 and the New Order of Highsec), where is challenge of destroying a ship that can't fight back. I mean really, I understand the whold thing eve is not safe, but what you are doing is nothing no more then beating someone in RL that's tied up. And the whole 10m permit thing makes me laugh so hard I pass out.

Soon my main and corp will be heading your way so we can laugh when your ships go boom boom Lol



The challenge is the combating the widespread bot-aspirancy. We've been at this for a year now but there are still many hisec systems filled with filthy afk and bot-like scum. We will persevere, though, we have the resolve.

If you're regularly passing out you may have a serious health issue, for a mere 10m I will provide my E-Doctor services
It's kinda like stomping on roaches. Messy, but necessary. Also thankless and never ending. But we persevere. Indeed, we put on our pointy-toed shoes, fire up the salsa, and make a dance party of it!
There's no corner where the roaches can hide!
Twisted
VegasMirage
Syndicate Enterprise
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#196 - 2013-09-09 15:13:57 UTC
not enuf flame

/unsubbed

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Gaylord Fappington
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#197 - 2013-09-09 19:48:37 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Truthfully, their targets pose no challenge whatsoever, because they're not playing the game. A miner who is actually playing the game can take any number of measures to ensure that they don't get ganked... and I'm not talking about buying a permit. Hell, being at the keys is half the battle. Spending that idle time while waiting for the strips to cycle doing things like checking local and fiddling with Derpscan can drastically increase a miner's chance of survival. Whenever this debate comes up I keep thinking of the opening scene from "Way of The Gun"... "there are some fights you just can't win, however, you can ruin the other guy's victory" or something like that... With a little effort and the whole paying attention thing you can completely ****-block a gank attempt. Or you can make it so all they see is your tail-lights receding into the distance as they try to lock on. Miners are NOT helpless, we just tend to have a lot of bad habits we need to shed if we intend on surviving in the world of New Eden.


Sure sounds to me like mining for you is a lot like playing a game. Honestly, it sounds like a lot of fun too.

Oh for the day when hisec is full of Omars and the guns of my catalyst are forever silenced. Hisec saved from itself and everyone playing a game in which they . . . well . . . actually play the game. Some miners on here could learn a lot from Omar.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#198 - 2013-09-09 20:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Unknowen 1217B wrote:
So tell me little kids (James 315 and the New Order of Highsec), where is challenge of destroying a ship that can't fight back. I mean really, I understand the whold thing eve is not safe, but what you are doing is nothing no more then beating someone in RL that's tied up. And the whole 10m permit thing makes me laugh so hard I pass out.

Soon my main and corp will be heading your way so we can laugh when your ships go boom boom Lol


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  • Will they be any better than the last one, or indeed any of the others that have come before them?
  • Will they be full of hot air or will they actually do something?
  • More importantly will they have a blog where they can be ridiculed mercilessly?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#199 - 2013-09-09 23:06:32 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
^^

Do what?

Lol...

Football, dude. American or otherwise, it doesn't matter. Whole nations drop what they're doing to warship at the alter of their national teams.

Other sports as well, such as cricket. Basketball. Baseball. The temples raised to sport are vast and costly, but attendance is huge and fevrent. We raise our children up in worship of the heoros and prophets of sport, and sacrifice mightily of our earnings and time in service to the Gods of sport. Tell me that that is not a functional description of religion. Go ahead... I dare ya.


What I will tell you is that the negation of 'false' is not 'real', but 'true'.
kalyte Sinulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#200 - 2013-09-10 00:19:57 UTC
Opinion from young miner.

I think this "Order" is just a bunch of fat guys with little wieners, who want to have a huge banana so they could show off on the New Eden world.

I got ganked by "Order" for no reason, I checked the rules and it was none of them, so it looks like they will suicide on all miners just because you are miner, you have a mining barge and you have been spotted on Asteroids belt. I think whole idea which James 315 created is long gone and those little wieners who fly todays New Eden are just trying to hide them self in James 315 shadow so they could suicide on miners and later on send them an email saying "I did it!" I don't see any good here, speaking from players side, games economic side, New Eden world side and etc.

So stop saying that whole this circus is a good thing, as I personally think this is just one of the ways to cut down the number of new players who will quit after getting poped with their first mining barge on asteroids belt.