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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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Mike Adoulin
Hell House
Hell Dawn
#241 - 2014-01-26 02:29:16 UTC
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
Mortis Betruger wrote:
all ******* miners must die

Good luck finding any ships then that are affordable.



They'll be very affordable, since the CODE-compliant miners will love not having anybody else mining in their belts.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#242 - 2014-01-26 02:38:51 UTC
Thank you for necroing this thread. It's still so funny.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

James Nikolas Tesla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#243 - 2014-01-26 04:07:04 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
Mortis Betruger wrote:
all ******* miners must die

Good luck finding any ships then that are affordable.



They'll be very affordable, since the CODE-compliant miners will love not having anybody else mining in their belts.

Good luck finding me

CODE is just a bunch of pirates; smart, organized pirates. It doesn't help to rage at them because that is exactly what they want. Dust yourself off and get back on your feet, you don't even have to talk to them.

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#244 - 2014-01-26 04:46:07 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Thank you for necroing this thread. It's still so funny.



What's even more funny the person that necroed the thread is appropriately named "Retardo"....
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#245 - 2014-01-26 06:23:19 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Thank you for necroing this thread. It's still so funny.



What's even more funny the person that necroed the thread is appropriately named "Retardo"....


That made me Laugh.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Retardo Khaan
Slow Motion.
#246 - 2014-01-26 17:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Retardo Khaan
IIshira wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Thank you for necroing this thread. It's still so funny.



What's even more funny the person that necroed the thread is appropriately named "Retardo"....


I do look a like too!! But seriously lets talk more about this issue.. Big smile
Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#247 - 2014-01-27 22:44:15 UTC
Lyris Nairn wrote:
There is literally a sticky thread by a GM in this very forum that says bumping is legitimate and acceptable.


bah, that thread is crap
Woody Allen writes more assertively than the GM who penned that thread
Ehnea Mehk
East Star Solutions
#248 - 2014-03-29 14:16:03 UTC
It would be nice if they actually didn't back down when a miner stood up to them. Maybe the Code is not that important to them after all.

http://odatrik.guildportal.com/Me/540804374/entry/a-line-drawn-in-the-sandbox/173112
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#249 - 2014-03-29 15:18:39 UTC
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
It would be nice if they actually didn't back down when a miner stood up to them. Maybe the Code is not that important to them after all.

http://odatrik.guildportal.com/Me/540804374/entry/a-line-drawn-in-the-sandbox/173112


I've read your blog post and thanks for being code compliant :) You are already complying the code via tanking your ship in the expense of your mining yield. It's not about the money which shows that you clearly haven't read the CODE at all. It's about the philosophy.

And you sir are fully committed to code compliance ! Bravo !

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

Ehnea Mehk
East Star Solutions
#250 - 2014-03-29 15:56:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Ehnea Mehk
Jared Lennox wrote:
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
It would be nice if they actually didn't back down when a miner stood up to them. Maybe the Code is not that important to them after all.

http://odatrik.guildportal.com/Me/540804374/entry/a-line-drawn-in-the-sandbox/173112


I've read your blog post and thanks for being code compliant :) You are already complying the code via tanking your ship in the expense of your mining yield. It's not about the money which shows that you clearly haven't read the CODE at all. It's about the philosophy.

And you sir are fully committed to code compliance ! Bravo !


Erhm, I've been properly fitting my ships for the past 4 years as a player. You guys have been around for 2 years. Where's your excuse for the other 2? How I fit had nothing to do with your organization, and everything to do with the fact I know how to fit a ship properly (okay EFT helps me but I can still read and figure things out :P ).

On the subject of ISK generation, any smart EVE Online player knows increasing ISK intake at the expense of a proper defensive fit in a place like New Eden is a stupid strategy. It's all about balancing ISK versus risk. Players need to understand why things mean in the Show Info display, not just what they mean.

You've tried to skirt around the consequences to us miners for not paying for a permit. I believe the declaration is the destruction of non-compliant and non-licensed equipment if we become resistant to bumping. There's also the point that miners are required to be respectful to gankers. I've shown that I've been disrespectful and do not take your organization (as well as griefers and gankers in general) seriously.

The question that remains is what the New Order is going to do with misbehaving players like myself. I think we all know the answer to that is going to be.
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2014-03-29 16:10:36 UTC
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
Jared Lennox wrote:
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
It would be nice if they actually didn't back down when a miner stood up to them. Maybe the Code is not that important to them after all.

http://odatrik.guildportal.com/Me/540804374/entry/a-line-drawn-in-the-sandbox/173112


I've read your blog post and thanks for being code compliant :) You are already complying the code via tanking your ship in the expense of your mining yield. It's not about the money which shows that you clearly haven't read the CODE at all. It's about the philosophy.

And you sir are fully committed to code compliance ! Bravo !


Erhm, I've been properly fitting my ships for the past 4 years as a player. You guys have been around for 2 years. Where's your excuse for the other 2? How I fit had nothing to do with your organization, and everything to do with the fact I know how to fit a ship properly (okay EFT helps me but I can still read and figure things out :P ).

On the subject of ISK generation, any smart EVE Online player knows ISK generation at the expense of a proper defensive fit in a place like New Eden is a stupid strategy. It's all about balancing ISK versus risk. Players need to understand why things mean in the Show Info display, not just what they mean.

You've tried to skirt around the consequences to us miners for not paying for a permit. I believe the declaration is the destruction of non-compliant and non-licensed equipment if we become resistant to bumping. There's also the point that miners are required to respectful to gankers. I've shown that I've been disrespectful and do not take your organization seriously.

Those points above have shown that I, in fact, have not been compliant with the specifications of the Code. The question that remains is what the New Order is going to do with misbehaving players like myself. I think we all know the answer to that is going to be.


I could never have imagined that a necroed thread would still keep generating tears.

The motivations about me ganking are basically the players who try to turn this game into a carebear project. I just like to watch the world burn. And your tears about ImaWreckYou on your personal blog is clearly showing that for some reason you got a severe butthurt. Being showcased on a carebear blog.. Wow..

I'm not trying to do anything,-- contrary to what you believe--, neither extortion nor trying to sell permits. I just want to blow some space pixels and I enjoy the consequences. Things explode, people shed tears, ???? Profit... After all EVE is just a game not a full time mind numbing job, as you miners assume and people like you need to HTFU.

"Hey guys, look, I got a 70k EHP skiff, nobody can gank me \o/" congrats champ, keep calm and keep obeying the CODE. .. :))


http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

Ehnea Mehk
East Star Solutions
#252 - 2014-03-29 16:47:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ehnea Mehk
Jared Lennox wrote:
I could never have imagined that a necroed thread would still keep generating tears.

The motivations about me ganking are basically the players who try to turn this game into a carebear project. I just like to watch the world burn. And your tears about ImaWreckYou on your personal blog is clearly showing that for some reason you got a severe butthurt. Being showcased on a carebear blog.. Wow..

I'm not trying to do anything,-- contrary to what you believe--, neither extortion nor trying to sell permits. I just want to blow some space pixels and I enjoy the consequences. Things explode, people shed tears, ???? Profit... After all EVE is just a game not a full time mind numbing job, as you miners assume and people like you need to HTFU.

"Hey guys, look, I got a 70k EHP skiff, nobody can gank me \o/" congrats champ, keep calm and keep obeying the CODE. .. :))


Now you are just being silly instead of explaining your lack of enforcement of a flawed strategy. Get over yourself.

Now, if you do not mind, I got ore and ice to mine. Without a permit, I might add.

Fly safe.

Ehnea
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2014-03-29 17:04:52 UTC
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
Jared Lennox wrote:
I could never have imagined that a necroed thread would still keep generating tears.

The motivations about me ganking are basically the players who try to turn this game into a carebear project. I just like to watch the world burn. And your tears about ImaWreckYou on your personal blog is clearly showing that for some reason you got a severe butthurt. Being showcased on a carebear blog.. Wow..

I'm not trying to do anything,-- contrary to what you believe--, neither extortion nor trying to sell permits. I just want to blow some space pixels and I enjoy the consequences. Things explode, people shed tears, ???? Profit... After all EVE is just a game not a full time mind numbing job, as you miners assume and people like you need to HTFU.

"Hey guys, look, I got a 70k EHP skiff, nobody can gank me \o/" congrats champ, keep calm and keep obeying the CODE. .. :))


Now you are just being silly instead of explaining your lack of enforcement of a flawed strategy. Get over yourself.

Now, if you do not mind, I got ore and ice to mine. Without a permit, I might add.

Fly safe.

Ehnea


The CODE. isn't a carehome for illiterate bears.

Fly reckless,

Knight of New Order Death Dealers,
Elite PvPer

Jared Lennox

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html

Ojahni Assene
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2014-03-29 18:51:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ojahni Assene
"8. You may have your own opinion on the activities of the New Order and the sheer gall of Mr James 315, but he seems an intelligent, articulate and dedicated sort of a guy wanting to make a profit in this world of New Eden. After all, don’t we all? And I may yet pay him his indulgence."

He might be, but there are other players who are intelligent and articulate. Is James 315 creating original sandbox content in the game with his New Order and the Code? Not even remotely so: it's a cheap copy of Helicity Boson's early Hulkageddon events, and even cheap copy is being too kind. From what I've read in local, his agents are not really good at what they are doing.

If he wants to stand out as more just a "me too!" alpha follower, he has to be both original and consistent. That is what set The Mittani and Helicity Boson apart from the rest of the pack.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#255 - 2014-04-01 02:32:46 UTC
I find that cake, while rather untruthful in its own right, is rather tasty.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Doomheim
#256 - 2014-04-01 06:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat
Jared Lennox wrote:
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
Jared Lennox wrote:
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
It would be nice if they actually didn't back down when a miner stood up to them. Maybe the Code is not that important to them after all.

http://odatrik.guildportal.com/Me/540804374/entry/a-line-drawn-in-the-sandbox/173112


I've read your blog post and thanks for being code compliant :) You are already complying the code via tanking your ship in the expense of your mining yield. It's not about the money which shows that you clearly haven't read the CODE at all. It's about the philosophy.

And you sir are fully committed to code compliance ! Bravo !


Erhm, I've been properly fitting my ships for the past 4 years as a player. You guys have been around for 2 years. Where's your excuse for the other 2? How I fit had nothing to do with your organization, and everything to do with the fact I know how to fit a ship properly (okay EFT helps me but I can still read and figure things out :P ).

On the subject of ISK generation, any smart EVE Online player knows ISK generation at the expense of a proper defensive fit in a place like New Eden is a stupid strategy. It's all about balancing ISK versus risk. Players need to understand why things mean in the Show Info display, not just what they mean.

You've tried to skirt around the consequences to us miners for not paying for a permit. I believe the declaration is the destruction of non-compliant and non-licensed equipment if we become resistant to bumping. There's also the point that miners are required to respectful to gankers. I've shown that I've been disrespectful and do not take your organization seriously.

Those points above have shown that I, in fact, have not been compliant with the specifications of the Code. The question that remains is what the New Order is going to do with misbehaving players like myself. I think we all know the answer to that is going to be.


I could never have imagined that a necroed thread would still keep generating tears.

The motivations about me ganking are basically the players who try to turn this game into a carebear project. I just like to watch the world burn. And your tears about ImaWreckYou on your personal blog is clearly showing that for some reason you got a severe butthurt. Being showcased on a carebear blog.. Wow..

I'm not trying to do anything,-- contrary to what you believe--, neither extortion nor trying to sell permits. I just want to blow some space pixels and I enjoy the consequences. Things explode, people shed tears, ???? Profit... After all EVE is just a game not a full time mind numbing job, as you miners assume and people like you need to HTFU.

"Hey guys, look, I got a 70k EHP skiff, nobody can gank me \o/" congrats champ, keep calm and keep obeying the CODE. .. :))



Your tears are delicious.

The point you are missing here is nothing that actually happens is ever because of CODE. Never have I seen an alliance that matters so little and affects so little people when considering the effort they put into it. What you're doing here is called creating a self-induced delusion. I know you guys at CODE have heard that term before, so no need for me to define it.

Gevlon Goblin has had a much bigger affect on miners than CODE has in the entirety of it's history. Let's be clear here: One person had a greater affect and reached his goals better than an entire 200+ person alliance.
I guess at that point, I'd be self-inducing a delusion too...
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#257 - 2014-04-01 14:59:52 UTC
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat wrote:


Gevlon Goblin has had a much bigger affect on miners than CODE has in the entirety of it's history. Let's be clear here: One person had a greater affect and reached his goals better than an entire 200+ person alliance.
I guess at that point, I'd be self-inducing a delusion too...


Old Gobbles and his project got me into ganking! Too bad it ended so soon. But the way he was doing it was like a 'job'. Gank several hours everyday, everything aimed at the highest possible efficiency, yugh, much like a miner obsessed with yield Lol

Be glad that few ppl put in that much effort, if every ganker started acting like Gobbles hi sec would be ablaze.
Dreadchain
Sons of Luminaire
Villore Accords
#258 - 2014-04-01 16:48:00 UTC
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat wrote:

Your tears are delicious.

The point you are missing here is nothing that actually happens is ever because of CODE. Never have I seen an alliance that matters so little and affects so little people when considering the effort they put into it. What you're doing here is called creating a self-induced delusion. I know you guys at CODE have heard that term before, so no need for me to define it.

Gevlon Goblin has had a much bigger affect on miners than CODE has in the entirety of it's history. Let's be clear here: One person had a greater affect and reached his goals better than an entire 200+ person alliance.
I guess at that point, I'd be self-inducing a delusion too...


So, the New Order matters so little that you're here talking about them on the forums, created a blog to talk about them a little bit more, then change your ingame methods and gameplay style to adjust to the New Order's presence?

Right, OK, carry on good sir.

www.minerbumping.com

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#259 - 2014-04-01 17:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Dreadchain wrote:
WouldYouEver HaveSexWith aGoat wrote:

Your tears are delicious.

The point you are missing here is nothing that actually happens is ever because of CODE. Never have I seen an alliance that matters so little and affects so little people when considering the effort they put into it. What you're doing here is called creating a self-induced delusion. I know you guys at CODE have heard that term before, so no need for me to define it.

Gevlon Goblin has had a much bigger affect on miners than CODE has in the entirety of it's history. Let's be clear here: One person had a greater affect and reached his goals better than an entire 200+ person alliance.
I guess at that point, I'd be self-inducing a delusion too...


So, the New Order matters so little that you're here talking about them on the forums, created a blog to talk about them a little bit more, then change your ingame methods and gameplay style to adjust to the New Order's presence?

Right, OK, carry on good sir.

I know, right? I have had a couple run in's with new order in Balle for the most part their a minor ( miner? Ha! ) annoyance. The more people cry about them the longer they'll be around.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#260 - 2014-04-01 23:10:02 UTC
Hello Ehnea

Ehnea Mehk wrote:

Erhm, I've been properly fitting my ships for the past 4 years as a player. You guys have been around for 2 years. Where's your excuse for the other 2? How I fit had nothing to do with your organization, and everything to do with the fact I know how to fit a ship properly (okay EFT helps me but I can still read and figure things out :P ).

On the subject of ISK generation, any smart EVE Online player knows increasing ISK intake at the expense of a proper defensive fit in a place like New Eden is a stupid strategy. It's all about balancing ISK versus risk. Players need to understand why things mean in the Show Info display, not just what they mean.

You've tried to skirt around the consequences to us miners for not paying for a permit. I believe the declaration is the destruction of non-compliant and non-licensed equipment if we become resistant to bumping. There's also the point that miners are required to be respectful to gankers. I've shown that I've been disrespectful and do not take your organization (as well as griefers and gankers in general) seriously.

The question that remains is what the New Order is going to do with misbehaving players like myself. I think we all know the answer to that is going to be.

I never before encountered someone unhappy because he/she does not get ganked. It is obvious that you tried everything to present yourself as a target, but while doing so you did in fact the opposite.

The CODE is a set of rules to improve the citizens of highsec, especially the miners with the attitude that highsec is a save place, that they can play in complete isolation, don't need to care about how to properly fit a ship and are entitled to grind ISK while doing something other than playing EVE (AFK).

You demonstrated time and time again that you are well aware of the game mechanics, even in this forum post. You are active in local and demonstrate that you are not AFK and playing this game in isolation. You are not mining 24/7 but show up occasionally to mine a few rocks and then you do something else. You are always polite in local, greet the Agents and talk to them.

My dear Ehnea, you are the prototype miner of our new highsec, you are the future. I dream of a highsec where every miner behaves like you.

Now on the topic of the permit. Let's consult the CODE:

CODE wrote:

Consider that I cannot bump all miners simultaneously. Since many miners will not have purchased their indulgences, I will usually have more than one miner whom I could choose to bump. So how should I prioritize? Again, the Code provides the answer. Those who consistently violate the Code will be at increased risk of bumping. Moreover, to ensure the New Order community lives up to my expectations, those who already have purchased indulgences may forfeit their place of honour if they violate the Code.

You see, the permit is only a small part of the requirements of the CODE. Since you are a fully compliant miner in respect to all the other rules you are not a priority target at all. There are always some worse violators than you who need a wake up call with antimatter. You have seen them yourself in the system and facepalmed because of their behavior.

If all the miners where like you, there would probably be no need for the New Order because highsec would already be the place we try to create.

I see you in Abudban my friend.