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good point ,so capping the amount of members in alliances and removing the standings will reduce this.why should all of those trying to start up in 0.0 suffer fatigue and crap jump range because you (ccp) are really not trying to solve the problem of power projection ....so NO STANDINGS .CAP ALLIANCE AND CORP NUMBERS 5000 per alliance and 300 per corp.(maybe less,you have all the numbers )
this i feel will put 0.0 back into shape.if you want 0.0 player to be at war and have plenty of content

Dear CCP our most valuable good we have in life is time. You already noticed this and now want to introduce pay2win - I'm strongly against this. But just keep this in mind, if you want to take more of our time, for the fatigue...


1) Give us old jumprange back - make them again diffrent from every shiptype (for example with JDC5: BO 14.6 ly, JF 13.5 ly, carrier 12 .1ly, rorqual 11.5 ly, super 11.3 ly, dread 10.8 ly, titan 9.7 ly - those numbers are just random examples - they should be diffrent - and at least 10 ly)
2) Remove the fatigue or make it "real" - If I travel a long distance by plane I'm less stress and have less fatigue to wait for. If I do the same distance in a care it tage ages - read my first post in this thread please.
3) Don't move it to the ships - cause then everyone who can afford it will have spare titans/supers everywhere to change.. This will favor the wrong people - this is even worser than removing it in all - as it only helps the alliances with the most ISK and put's everybody else in bad positions
4)
5) Yes it should to, if you keep the fatigue. you own that space - it should be your advantage - and a huge one.
6) Wormholes are total overpowered compared to the fatigue. Gates as well - but gates will not do an affect at the moment - as TiDi does the "fatigue" for you CCP. If there is no TiDi you can move a super/titan by gates in less than 1 1/2h across the map. But with the small hardware in your servers and TiDi kicks in every jump by a fleet of those they will need 4+ h. so here you have already implement a kind of fatigue, which still is totally annoying and should be removed.
7) Never not - this only favors the large groups
8) No - we spend time on this game - don't make it more, many players are playing for years - and they have less time to play, if you are asking them for more you will lose again more
9) Still no
10) There is no local content at all. There is only global content in EVE, and that content made people happy and eve famous. Stop creating my little fair cruiser farm online. Keep the your choices have meaning till it ends. Keep eve a game where people actually have to think and deal with the consequences.

Maybe get back to the old things plus remove alliance and corp standing or reduce them to max 3 standings per alliance and 3 per corp. Set a limit of 3000-5000 players per alliance ( how many players are in the corp doesn't matters really ( e.g. a corp with 4999player + a corp with 1 player is fine - but once you reached those 5k players no corp can be joined until you are back at 4999)). My Personal limit I would like is something like 2500 to 3000. This still means the biggest coalition will be 7500-9000 players. And don't forget even with the new sov - the imperum can still expand and take as well as defend. I think the Imperium as already worked out how with the PB Deployment. It's now more boring then ever and the chances of fights reduced to 0.. but you can take and hold it.
Personal conclusion:
-Give us back old jumpranges
-Remove fatigue
-Remove standing or limit it to 1-3 standings - or just remove it at all
-Limit alliance sizes to 2500-3000 players if you keep the limited standing
-If you remove standings at all maybe limit alliance sizes to max 5000
-introduce a mix of Dominion and Fozzi Sov
-Make the game more unfair e.g. moon locations etc. so you get your "local" content
-Get rid of TiDi - we should not have that worse TiDi if gate jumping with 100 ships

Please delete.

Looked over the thread since it's inception, lot of good points, lot of the old stuff still there.

The one thing that has always bugged me about Fatigue is it's implications to player generated content and the negative effect it had overall on this aspect, hence why I still maintain that it should be removed from the game, However there are those that make good points regarding power projection from there perspective, I would not disagree with them as from there vantage point restricting power projection is a good thing.

I would ask if they feel that with the over all homogenization of the EVE universe such draconian measure are actually required, After all apart from minor skirmishing over towers at odd times Sov warfare has all but ceased to be a part of the EVE game scenario for the most part, Why attack someone who only has exactly what you already have anyway, makes little sense applying heavy restrictions of this nature if in reality they are hardly ever going to come in to play.

The problem for a lot of players however is not that of Cap Fatigue at all, it is the increased playtime they have to expend in simply getting around being as they are restricted in using Titan and jump bridges, This point alone has in the view of many been the main reason for a lot of players leaving EVE in recent months.

There are however deeper issues with the new direction CCP have taken EVE, The results which have not been in the games best interests and may have fatally damaged the community beyond repair, A process that began way back with the removal of multiple jump bridges resulting in the isolation of groups of players, and not as the stated intention was to force greater interaction, This process has continued through multiple iterations and again in the view of many locked EVE into the steady downward spiral we see today, It is hoped that CCP will take this position into consideration when they look at the problem of Fatigue and understand that while it is a serious issue, it is not the only one EVE currently suffers under.

Point blank. I thing Jump freighters should have longer ranges. Probably a 10% increase to Blops range as well.

Personally i would Look at fatigue a bit differently. The delay is a good Idea, but I think its a bit harsh as it stands.. still might be a bit harsh with the 5 day cap coming.

FTL (hyperdrive) Has the potential to do a lot to increase ranges.. but I think it would fill a better niche in subcaps, and possibly if you put it on a smaller ship (I'm thinking a new T2 Battlecruiser class with equal training time as command ships). It's a goal to work towards and help benefit subcap fleets.

Or another cool idea would be to allow FTL's, but also make it a beacon based thing (not cyno, fixed beacons, or celestials). making it be used by the Utility high slot to balance out the long ranges that are possible.

Also, FTL's should probably have a similar mechanic as Micro jump drives. But id like to see it start out longer and the reductions to V should make it about 15 mins to jump. ( I would seriously use one just to travel around New Eden.)

I don't do Capitols, so I am withholding comment on mechanics I have not been involved in.

This is getting old.
No, it won't. People lived without standings and formal alliances, Provi still does that. So what exactly that will do?
I'm no nullsec warfare expert, but I'm pretty sure that having 8 times more bodies is well worth slightly more sluggish hierarchy.


Maybe you should explain what exact FTL mechanics you have in mind?

Yes really. The colour tags for standings were introduced in the first place becuase screen overlay tools were created by players to do the same job. If CCP removed standings slots, those tools would reappear and be in general use within 96 hours.

I totally agree with this.

When I listen to my alliance comms, I hear a lot of general dissatisfaction with being part of the Imperium. With no hard feelings towards anyone, there are a lot of folks who would love to shoot at CO2, The Bastion, RAZOR, Goons, LAWN, etc. (or the Russians we currently have NIP's, NAP's, and god-knows-what-else backroom deals with). I think there are a ton of people who are bored with the current situation, but the lack of anyone near as competently organized makes it almost impossible to convince individual players, corporations, or alliances to jump ship. That... and fear that you might actually lose a war or something if you left. Knowing that if you jump ship you will probably just get kill farmed by the Imperium or PL, plus have to do all the work of running a major alliance, is a huge incentive to stay bored.

Running an alliance or coalition is a ton of work. There are a limited number of calm, capable, and dedicated folks who have the time to do that. If someone put together a management team, without an overt Grr Goons agenda, but just "Hey, we are going to take space somewhere, fight like hell, and build an empire, please come join us," they could probably do pretty well. These projects have worked in the past, but generally dissolve in a Superfund-level toxic wasteland of internal drama or fall apart because someone gets married, divorced, gets kicked out of Mom's basement, or has a baby.

I think you misunderstood the problem that fatigue was intended to solve

Some great ideas in this thread. I didn't read it all. But yea something had to be done with jumping. It was just plain silly there before JF came in. It didn't matter where a cap was as long as pilots were online, they could be literately anywhere on the map inside an hour. Any corp worth their salt had ready to run cyno chains from anywhere to anywhere.

So I will assume that most accept that unlimited power projection was a bad thing.

One idea i had (forgive me if it has been made already), is that fatigue is based on distance from the Origin. That is every ship has an origin. Which is where they are now. Then they jump, so a amount of fatigue is added. A small amount generally with fairly small cooldown. Now as fatigue goes down the origin slowly moves over to the current position. This does mean the origin can be place inbetween systems. But jumping closer to the origin gives you no penalty or a much smaller penalty. Only jumping further away than your current position from the origin would give additional fatigue. With some lower bound on cooldown if needed.

Personally i would be all for zero cooldown on all jumps that move closer to the orgin.

The idea is waiting is as boring as **** and unfun. And the idea is to restrict power projection while giving good projection *within* a space around the current location. But longer distance projection comes at a cost.

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