EVE General Discussion

You can thank CCP for that, when the New Order was first started James wasn't trying to sell permits, he was bumping people because they were afk, and because he could. CCP stepped in and told him that this modus operandi wasn't acceptable, therefore James had a discussion with them about what was and what was not acceptable, it turns out that doing it with a profit motive was acceptable to CCP, and thus the New Order was born.

Turning it into a quasi religious cult was a stroke of genius, people who raged hard when ganked raged even harder when confronted with gankers preaching quasi religious dictats that make the lore of the Amarr Empire look like a childrens book.

Indeed, threatening ones own suicide inorder to blackmail people into doing what you want, is incredibly unacceptable.

Wall of Text ......I am assuming you are quitting since I didnt bother reading the novel if so may I have your stuff please.

Usually a society sets some rules.
In Eve most rules we commonly accept IRL don't apply.
It seems natural that this leads to frustration on part of some.
Especially, as some very basic rules like: "you don't kick babies in the teeth in order to get their candy" don't apply neither.

I am in Eve coz I like the risky environment, but cannot fathom the fun some seem to have kicking babies teeth.

You got me with the teeth. However, some already have one at birth.

And I'd assume it already happened that someone kicked even though there were no candies at all. As otherwise starter systems would not need special rules.

Tbh I didn't have an issue with ganking im Eve. My losses are mostly to me being stupid or a graphic driver crash (****), so that the whole issue actually looks avoidable to me.

Some people probably padded their killboards a bit with newbies in the past, I remember a discussion with a GM about what you could and could not do to newbies in starter systems and certain SoE Arc systems, Arnon IIRC.

There you have it in a nutshell, ganks, and scams, are fairly trivial to avoid unless you get caught by a graphics driver crash (looks at AMD, sort it out) or do something stupid, the problem is that people don't like to admit to having done something stupid. Admitting that you've done something stupid in Eve raises you far above the ones that blame everybody else for their own stupidity.

Agree that the blue-sec culture has generated more ganking

It only seems like harassment to newer players because they have not yet HTFU'ed yet

It's a problem with the game to the extent that the game doesn't communicate this. Sure, there's no getting through to some people, but CCP need to deal with the fact that there are huge, long-established MMOs that set and reinforce those notions, and the sooner newcomers to EVE are assured that "be the villain" doesn't mean "roll Horde," the better. Also, "dark Universe" doesn't mean a grimdark color palette and large spikes sticking out of all the mobs.

"Read the EULA" is a cop-out. It's not a tutorial, and anyway, it's (an attempt at) a legal contract, so the people who should be reading them for us are contract lawyers that we retain, and--quick show of hands--who did that when they launched EVE for the first time? (Of those who raised their hands, how many of you are contract lawyers, or are married or closely related to contract lawyers?) Right.

OP is correct that there are no mechanical issues involved here. There are things that CCP could do better as far as getting information out to new players, and there is Gabriel's G.I.F.T. (NSFW)--which also shows that the phenomenon is much larger than EVE.

To be frank, I think this Op is throwing out the barrel of apples because of a few bad ones. There are simply terrible expectations that he keeps perpetrating, and that is a major issue.

Let's take a good look at the examples of bad behavior he brought up:

♦ "jihad fleets" and Hulkageddon -- This is EXCELLENT content, and I can't fathom why you'd be upset about it. These are typically well publicized events, where news of the even spreads rapidly to all corners of the universe. It makes waves in the markets, booming the economy. It creates a blatant hunter-prey atmosphere, where everyone can chose a side or get out of the way. A can't fathom how you'd find these "unfair" or in poor spirits. Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, Ice interdictions, even Jame's Code crew. These are hurdles, made by players, that you simply have to overcome if you wish to play in their sphere.

♦ Destiny: I live in Syndicate, and have had a lot of interaction with GEEMU there. Let me give you some insight into how we approach GEEMU. When you live in nullsec, you must expect combat every single time you undock. He doesn't get a free pass just because he is new to the game or nullsec. At the same time, I know many FCs that don't primary Destiny's character the moment our fleets crash. I know many pilots that let GEEMU pods and/or noobships fly through the area when heading to their home system. I know several groups that "team up" with them so they can defeat a tactically superior force. The truth is, the game is harsh, especially when you move to nullsec 2 days after creating a character, before you have a clue about game mechanics. I don't know how Destiny feels he's been treated, but he's been welcomed to the game.

♦ The Mittani: The Mittani crossed the line at an Alliance Leader Panel, where the historic goal of the panel was to outdo other alliances, usually by using insults and "shocking" commentary. He was called out for crossing the line by a huge portion of the community, was kicked of the CSM, and given a temp ban from game. As for the audience reaction, he didn't cross the line until the end of the session when he revealed the name of the pilot who sent such a dastardly evemail.

You are somewhat right, as there are many PLAYERS in this game that are just bad for the gaming environment.
To help address those bad elements, we should have some guildlines on acceptable behavior, because there is a decent portion of the playerbase that regularly crosses the line. But your misplaced "white knight" post fails to even remotely address it!

What is acceptable?
-- Communicating RL threats to a fellow player because they blew up your starship, or conned you out of isk. That is unacceptable behavior; why didnt you call them out?

-- Suggesting you may commit suicide or do RL harm to yourself because someone is interfering with your game play. That is unacceptable behavior, why didn't you call them out?

-- Being so emotionally volatile that you lash out when someone again, interferes with your game play. That's unacceptable behavior, why didn't you call them out?

-- Being so desperate for attention, that you make a fool of yourself, sending nude pics to other players or say incriminating things. That's unacceptable behavior, why didn't you call them out?

You see, a healthy player understands that this is a GAME. They understand that attacking their character is different than attacking their PERSONS. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone occasionally gets outplayed, but only the unhealthy members go to these unacceptable extremes. It many ways, it is our social obligation to let them know they are crossing the line, as that is how we protect the integrity of our gaming atmosphere. I will admit some people revel in encouraging them to cross the line and broadcasting to the world when they do, but that rarely harms the healthy members of our gaming society.

PS: who cares about the comments of some reditors? That's a statement about redit, not about EvE.