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[Serious Discussion] This game's community leaves much to be desired

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#21 - 2014-03-14 08:42:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Marvin Shields wrote:
Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#22 - 2014-03-14 08:44:24 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:

I'll admit I have my faults, but seeing someone comment on a Reddit post

That's easily avoided, just don't go to reddit.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2014-03-14 08:59:47 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

Chribba's secret is that he is always drunk.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#24 - 2014-03-14 09:30:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Why is all of that creativity and freedom being used to harass new players? I just don't understand it.

Not all, but you will see and hear more about it being used that way. Because of butthurt.
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
#25 - 2014-03-14 09:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

Infinity Ziona wrote:

Few months ago NC. lured a guy recovering from cancer on the pretext he could join their alliance and blew him and all his stuff up for lols.
the guy's rl situation has nothing to do with the game, it was unfair of him to try and guilt people into giving him an ingame advantage. it wasn't the alliance that tricked the guy, it was some random in their chat. and that arse ragemailed me with 'i hope you get cancer too'. there's one person at fault in that situation
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#26 - 2014-03-14 10:01:29 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Marvin Shields wrote:
Sorry, are we supposed to take the words THE MOST PROMINENT EVE PLAYER IN EVE HISTORY let spew forth from his mouth and just cast them aside BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK?

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

Chribba's secret is that he is always drunk.

I'm so drunk you can't even notice it! It's as if I was sober, but I'm not, except I am.

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Azami Nevinyrall
#27 - 2014-03-14 10:08:02 UTC
Each game has its own community.
Each community has its **** heads.
Its just how the community evolved over the years.
Its what makes the game unique, its what makes each game unique.

Some people are good, some are bad. Welcome to the human race!


Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#28 - 2014-03-14 10:12:46 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:

Wait, when was Chribba drunk?

Damn, beat me to it.

Notorious does not equal prominent
#29 - 2014-03-14 10:17:23 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:

... But do we have any that show how many have left? Or why they left? Why doesn't CCP have an exit survey for those who never finished their trial, or who subbed for a month but never came back, or who played for X years but stopped altogether?

When you cancel your sub there is an exit survey asking why you are leaving eve fyi .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Salvos Rhoska
#30 - 2014-03-14 10:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Reddit. There is your problem.
Prime example of a toxic community, as you call it.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-03-14 10:43:22 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I think my experience in the game has been different. There are intelligent people everywhere, and many of them go the extra mile to help you, provided you are able to help yourself. I love how connected corp mates are socially, through Jabber and Mumble.


This is my experiance too. everywhere i have gone in eve i have found friendly people willing to help.
Oh except in highsec carebear corps. There i found nothing but apathy and disinterest.
Eve is all about communities and people that are incapable of joining a good one will ofc have a poorer experience than people who do manage to join one or more decent communities

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
#32 - 2014-03-14 11:10:47 UTC
Marvin Shields wrote:
People are leaving this game, daily, because they cannot handle the harassment, the griefing, the scamming, and the constant fear of losing everything they own or a chunk of their paycheck because of some opportunistic ass with an itchy F1 finger.

I'm not an alt of James Arget and I am not running for CSM, so believe me when I say this **** needs to go.


If this is the constant fear in their life, then they must have a pretty privileged life.
Inari Visas
Spoopy Newbies
#33 - 2014-03-14 11:16:55 UTC
This thread is amazing.

I have never seen a more abusive discussion about the subject of moral responsibility.
Freako X
Doom Inc
#34 - 2014-03-14 11:49:41 UTC
OP is correct. Eve is viewed as a mean-spirited community driven game.

On one hand, I accept it and move on ...

On another hand, I ignore the malcontents and move on .....

But the truth is that the perceived culture of Eve is negative and abusive. That reflects on me as a gamer and I 'should' be upset and I 'should' be more proactive to help fight that perception.

Truth is that I am lucky to get a good 4-8 hours of uninterrupted game play a month. The game does not take up enough of my valuable free time to warrant a virtual crusade. Don't get me wrong, the haters are on a crusade because life is just not fair to them so it's payback time in an anonymous environment. It requires a counter crusade, revolution, to combat that culture. Especially since it is a headless culture.

CCP 'could' moderate local channels and temporarily block avatars with a history of aggressive, abusive communication. They won't. CCP could treat corp leaders as .... well ... leaders and temporarily remove their ability to use public chat channels (including fleets and private channels outside of corporate and private chats) if their business promotes hate. They won't. CCP could invoke a noise pollution tax on characters or corp (or individual) earnings if they are found guilty of promoting a negative culture. They won't.

I commend the OP for the courage to put a well thought out, well written essay on the forums to spur a discussion. I will continue to do what I always do ... do my small part to have a positive impact. I can't carry the banner as the game is a game and not important enough for me to take up a crusade.

Salvos Rhoska
#35 - 2014-03-14 12:01:59 UTC
I think the eaelier comment by someone, that much uneccessary and unfounded disgruntlement is actually rooted in some peoples inability or unwillingness to accept or understand the nature of this game as compared to many other MMOs, rather than the "toxiccommunity", is very true.

Its not the behavior of other people towards them that is the problem, the problem is their own attitude.

If I walk around in life with unrealistic expectations both of the way the world works and of the nature of my fellow mankind, I will be repeatedly dissappointed and angry, not because of what other autonomous people are doing in it, but because I am so stupid as to assume I am responsible for, or capable of controlling, anyone else except myself.

These people dont seem to understand the fundamental link between the ability to control an outcome, and being responsible for it.

I am not responsible for how others view my actions. Why? Because I have no business or auspice to control how they view it.
That is their own prerogative, purview and privilege and one I cannot determine or define. Its in their own head to which I have no access or business.

Reciprocally, this also means that though they are free to view my actions as they wish, their views have NO control over my own autonomous choices in my own life. Their views are their own, and not mine, and do not define how I choose to live my life, no matter how they try to claim that theirs is the "right" way.

But many people dont understand this. They think because they dont "like" something, that somehow means they are entitled to judge and restrict those who do like that.

How does this translate in EVE?

As some people who expect others to behave according to how THEY demand and perceive they should, according to their own internal system of beliefs. Is that fair towards the other person? Hell no. Does that entitle them to dictate how others should behave or think? Absolutely not. Why not? Becuase the same rationale could be levelled right back at them, and they, in return, be expected (against their own autonomy and self-determination) to act as those other people whom they presume to dictate to, dictate right back to them.

Its a ridiculous arrangement, premise and approach to interaction with others.

Its also extremely offensive and socially reprehenensible to even THINK you are in somekind of position to dictate to others how they should behave. It is none of your business. You have no control over how others behave, only over how YOU yourself behave.

I am not responsible for how you feel about something.
I am not responsible to your personal view on how "things should be".
I am not beholden to act as you in your head think I should.
You dont, and cant, control me, nor I you.

Its abhorrent to even think or attempt otherwise, and yet that is exactly what this thread is trying to defend.

Stop trying to dictate how others live their lives and how they choose to conduct themselves.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#36 - 2014-03-14 12:12:32 UTC
too long; didn't read

Not today spaghetti.

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#37 - 2014-03-14 12:31:07 UTC
There's nothing wrong with the Eve community. Grow up, OP.
Salvos Rhoska
#38 - 2014-03-14 12:34:10 UTC

So just to clarify, are you stating that you want to be immune from player aggression in high-sec?

Is that an accurate summation of your post?
Malcolm from Marketing
Klaatu Technologies
#39 - 2014-03-14 12:54:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So here's a question: what is keeping you from taking precautions to ensure that this doesn't happen?
Has it ever happened? And should it ever happen, how will it affect your gameplay?

Fortunately i've never been caught no, but thats probably more down to my paranoid nature when logging into this game, new players dont have that paranoia about them, and only get it once they've been blown up a few times, maybe the first time losing a ship to PVP they didnt ask for is enough for them to delete the client, i dunno, but thats what im getting at.
Douche players will force PVP on to new players if they want it or not, and that quite frankly is not appealing what so ever when taking your first few steps in a new game.

Now, IF it did happen and i got ganked or some such, then im experienced enough to deal with it, learn from it and avoid it next time, but that just me, someone who's played just over 4 years, not a new player a day/month into EVE.

Salvos Rhoska wrote:

So just to clarify, are you stating that you want to be immune from player aggression in high-sec?

Is that an accurate summation of your post?

Absolutely not no, but making it much more of a pain for the instigator and with harsher consequences would be a welcome more and make EVE more attractive to new players that DONT want to PVP that 3yr old player in highsec.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#40 - 2014-03-14 12:58:52 UTC
I think most of the OP's complaints can be resolved in three steps...

Stay out of hisec
Stay off reddit
Stay off the internet

Seriously, if a few bad apples ruin your entire orchard, you've got to stop focusing on the bad apples.

Eve's community in low and nullsec is fantastic, encouraging and helpful. Trust is a way of life in nullsec. Fear is a way of life in hisec because that's where the riffraff truly are, preying on the weak that don't know the rules or don't know how to play the game yet.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.