EVE General Discussion

Dam Funky, shameless plug, shouldn't you use the eve radio forums for that ?

Also, in before any CSM member post, maybe they do not missed their old job description ....

End conclusion; the ships have been given out as prizes and as community rewards over 100 times before. Obviously the ships nor their value were EVER an issue before. Anyone screaming this is about the huge value of these ships can buzz off right now.

The core of this entire thing is simple; it's the perceived unfairness in peoples mind where an entity that is already making tons of money is getting tons more money for free. Even though its not tons of money, it's a ship with no real value.

"They don't deserve it! They take peoples money!"

It's a ridiculous statement really. And frankly it disgusts me that players of a game are bashing on the game's developer and ordering them who they can and can not reward. Because again; this isn't about the prizes given out. It never was. It's about who got them.

I know some tricks, but I'm no space wizard

...you know that sounds really good to me right now. Hawaiian pizza for dinner it is!

with or without slugs?(mushroom)

Correct. Which is why CCP should refrain from giving anything to anyone ever again. Then no one need experience the sheer amount of raw, jealous butthurt that has been displayed over the past couple of weeks.

Way to go, CCP. You have indirectly provided a 4th quarter windfall to hemorrhoid creme manufacturers.

Am I the only one who doesn't care as i'm not a self entitled whiney ***** like the rest of the uber mad posters?

I'm sure this is about to get me some flames, but here goes anyways.

What is deemed a fansite?

I have paid for a corp website that the sole operation behind it is Eve related. Not open to the public like many other alliance/corp sites have theirs hidden. But there is game content in the site that isn't on Eve forums. There are things my members can see or do that they would have to write a program themselves to figure out if other sites don't have something like it.

There are director level things that we are able to keep up with based on the API key, thanks to one of the directors abilities to program, that isn't available on any outside site. Which all my guys know who that director is.

Where do you even draw those lines? I don't get isk for it or cash. It adds a bonus for people who have access. It is all about Eve with the exception of the Off Topics forum which even Eve Forums have. There are audio files talking about Eve things.

I don't care if I see anything from CCP on the ordeal and honestly even if it hit every criteria I wouldn't hold my breath. As much as I enjoy this game and it has held my attention for many of years, the shear ability to award/benefit the few over the many has been staggering over the years.

As has been stated, it is one thing to give awards at an Eve event that everyone in theory has an opportunity to show up at. Financial, job or family set aside, because those are separate issues to that kind of thing. If it is announced and the ability to get there is possible, that is one thing. Giving away things either through the lottery give away, or as a prize recognition that can benefit unfairly is really the issue.

Clearly I don't see this as a T20 issue revisited because that was a whole different ordeal altogether and it seems like these new policies being put into place could be a good thing. When you spring it on a group that has had things going one way for so long and don't announce things can be different, it leaves a bad taste. Seems like favoritism is being placed on people who are hidden behind alt names in a random selection system setup that at the end of the day is controlled by a person. Been an issue here almost from the start with CCP giving ships to be lotto'ed off and not seeing that it would only continue into handing out behind the scenes even more ships isn't just bad judgement. There is a point where it seems to be that it didn't matter how the community felt, but what CCP thought the few deserved despite the outrage of the many.

This is a logical fallacy. The majority of people have not been aware of the earlier reward give-aways, mostly because CCP never announced them. Their use as prizes was known but has nothing to do with this issue. A reward for which the recipient is chosen by CCP is very different from a prize for which everyone can compete under a known set of rules. Therefore an item might be completely fine as a prize, but not acceptable as a reward.

You're wrong about 2 things here:
1. It's not important if Somer is already making tons of money. The important thing is that they're operating for-profit and in competition with others. If they're successful or not in this competition doesn't matter.
2. The ship has real value. The value of a thing is what someone is willing to pay you for it. That's the only valid definition of value. Incidentally people were willing to pay ~20b for IshuScorps.

Wrong again, it is about both. Firstly, it is about the rewards which can influence the balance of the sandbox because of their value. And secondly, it is also about who got them, though not that is was specifically Somer, but in a more abstract sense that it was an in-game competitive for-profit organization.

It's good he brought up the spotlight. The Community Spotlight also has no known rules or criteria. Each one amounts to an advertisement and that's the specific reason that I (as my alt Zaxix) poked CCP about Red Frog. By getting an RF spotlight, I accomplished a long held goal to get Red Frog's name on the login page. Frankly they don't need the advertising at this stage of the game, but for anyone not already familiar with EVE's courier services, it got the Frog some serious mind share and was a de facto CCP plug for the Frog.

I dunno. That sounded slightly mad to me.