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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2013-10-10 20:17:59 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I was disappointed to see those removed after the Incarna riots. I could imagine a CONCORD system set aside for just such a NCO museum.

They put it back to the old monument a while back.
Gougeres
Ad Exxitium
Vel Ad Exxitium.
#122 - 2013-10-10 20:19:20 UTC
Cyrane Aurorea wrote:


I actually feel that the people that have received something from CCP so far have more than deserved it, and have, in most cases, enriched my experience in the game through their community contributions.


I am genuinely curious as to what SomerBlink has done to 'Enrich your experience in the game' ?
Grarr Dexx
The Congregation
HIDDEN LEAF VILLAGE NINJA AssAssIn SQUAD eSports
#123 - 2013-10-10 20:19:54 UTC
Why Blink? Why not Dotlan, why not EVE-Files, why not anything else that actually provides a service not with the intent of just making mad dough?
Tinman Spectacular
The Long Range Foundation
#124 - 2013-10-10 20:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinman Spectacular
Some people have already mentioned this idea, and it's been done before. Immortalize individuals and corporations with permanent relics and monuments in-game as reward for their community contributions. You like what Somer is doing, why not a "Somer Gambling Hall" off Dodixie Fed Navy? You want to give credit to their members, let people warp to it and buy junk items like "1 blink credit - issued by [somer employee]." Like someone said, it's no different than "piece of steve," etc.

Even better, let them name their junk item with your final approval. CCP gets an ISK sink. Somer employees get a very VERY special in-game achievement, and players get something to do other than buy a passport from Poitat. This would be an achievement most of us will never accomplish because of what they've done for the community, respect or hate it, their name will be remembered even after they unsub and nobody gets a tangible ISK advantage over anyone either directly or indirectly. I get that a couple billion ISK to outfits like Somer is just a rounding error, but it's still an in-game advantage. I also get ships and junk have been given before, so what? Things change in this game.

-RvB gets some magical kill number in their eternal war, how about a flaming statue named after the pilot who died or something?
-Some event attracts 10k people in local with super duper reinforced nodes, maybe they'll get a station named after them in that system?
-How about an item for sale at SOE stations called "A Map of Eve - by Dotlan"?

It's not that hard.

Nobody will have a problem with this. The player is immortalized and the community gets FREE content; free as in I'm not paying $14/mo for in-game corps to get marketable items which benefit them in some tangible, non-existential manner, that may or may not be used against me.

For comparison, for most players their corporate titles and medals are more meaningful and treasured than ISK gifts and their equivalencies (rare items and such). Usually you get them for spectacular in-game feats, or spectacular in-game failures. It's hard to say which kind is more regarded by the individual they were conferred upon Smile
Gogela
Krigmakt Elite
Safety.
#125 - 2013-10-10 20:24:00 UTC
A Research Alt wrote:
Quote:
Only items below a certain expected ISK value? Always give out tons of stuff at once so early recipients can’t cash out?


You shouldn't be giving out cash rewards in the first place.

The Devs get a cash reward for building the game. The web designer got a cash reward for building this forum. WTF is the difference if they want to pay people cash for building a community site? Putting up something ridiculous like this robs any of your other arguments of credibility. If your objective is to sway your audience, you should focus on the points most important to you.

/my2isk

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Frying Doom
#126 - 2013-10-10 20:24:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Personally I would like the rewards to be out of game.

But the biggest thing is for CCP to be transparent in these types of things, it looks dodgy when these kinds of things are hidden. You might not have meant for these to be kept a secret but you did not announce them your selves so that makes it just as responsible.

Also some customer service training for some ISDs wouldn't go astray. Closing a threadnaught and directing it to two different topics just showed us that they didn't have a clue. That just made it look like CCP where deliberately trying to shut down the communication on this issue by burying it in other topics.

As to the CSM some have shown (elsewhere) that they were pissed with the rest of us and others showed why the CSM regulations need the ability to recall members by the community because they had no clue what was going on.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#127 - 2013-10-10 20:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Kate stark wrote:


and spaceships can be purchased with the isk furries will pay for the monocles. as i said, it either affects the sandbox, or it doesn't.

But by that logic, so does purchasing plex. You can buy titans and fleets with plex, and people have done so in the past. CCP has been giving out plex/subscription time to media people for years.

The fact is, unique ships are an order of magnitude more significant than various clothing items and plex. Giving out, 20 or 30 unique ships while endorsing someone's for-profit business by tying unique handout rewards to patronage?

That's a great deal more significant than a dozen monocles.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#128 - 2013-10-10 20:26:23 UTC
Morphisat wrote:
This doesn't answer any questions at all. What ties does CCP have with Somer Blink ? First the weird community spotlight, then the lottery, followed by Billion isk ships.



This has been asked several times since page 1, but it conveniently remains unanswered.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Kate stark
#129 - 2013-10-10 20:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Kate stark wrote:


and spaceships can be purchased with the isk furries will pay for the monocles. as i said, it either affects the sandbox, or it doesn't.

But by that logic, so does purchasing plex. You can buy titans and fleets with plex, and people have done so in the past. CCP has been giving out plex/subscription time to media people for years.

The fact is, unique ships are an order of magnitude more significant than various clothing items and plex. Giving out, 20 or 30 unique ships while endorsing someone's for-profit business by tying unique handout rewards to patronage of that business?

That's a great deal more significant than a dozen monocles.


1) plex isn't restricted with regard to who gets it.
2) plex aren't free handouts from ccp. (and those that are, i would wager are from banned accounts. it's fact that ccp take plex from banned accounts)

two very important differences.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Rob Crowley
State War Academy
#130 - 2013-10-10 20:31:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Rob Crowley
What I forgot in my earlier post: You generally have to be very careful about rewarding in-game for-profit organizations. Even an endorsement from your side is potentially hurting their competitors. The nice thing here is, if an organization is run for-profit and is successful enough to catch your attention it probably doesn't need your support anyway.

Non-profit organizations might need the support and they don't have competition that could be distorted by supporting them.

iskflakes wrote:
When you reward somebody by giving them PLEX nobody else suffers any serious devaluation. When you give somebody an IWS all other IWS owners and collectors get completely screwed over because the price collapses.

Just give people PLEX in future, as much as you like, but no rare items ever.
Of course people owning PLEX would suffer devaluation. When you increase the supply the price decreases, it's no different for PLEX than for any other item in the game. Therefore PLEX are just as bad an idea. The only difference is that a single PLEX is worth considerably less than a single IshuScorp at the moment. But if they handed out 20b in PLEX to everyone it would be just as bad.

Synthetic Cultist wrote:
Those things like the "Piece of Steve", relating to the first Titan shot down, or the "Assassination Contract - Mirial", or the "Band of Brothers Director Key". Souvenir items that don't do anything much ingame, beside exist.

Those sorts of items would be perfectly fine, to reward people for contributing.
No, those items (if new ones were created for the reward program) would be rare and tradeable and therefore would have significant ingame value just as the IshuScorps. There would be no significant difference, cause nobody is against the IshuScorps for their very limited combat value, but because of their considerable ISK value.
Cyrane Aurorea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#131 - 2013-10-10 20:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyrane Aurorea
Gougeres wrote:
Cyrane Aurorea wrote:


I actually feel that the people that have received something from CCP so far have more than deserved it, and have, in most cases, enriched my experience in the game through their community contributions.


I am genuinely curious as to what SomerBlink has done to 'Enrich your experience in the game' ?


My post wasn't specifically aimed at SomerBlink, as stopping the giveaway program affects everyone, not just that specific organization.

But to answer your question, SomerBlink has sponsored many other organizations, corporations and individual players in the game, financially and through ships.

Some examples of sponsoring;
- Sponsoring Kil2 (now knows as CCP Rise)
- Sponsoring the New Eden Open tournament teams
- Sponsoring Alliance tournament participants
- etc..

I think that for a large amount of playerbase the aforementioned have enriched their game experience due to the events and content being created for everyone to enjoy and even for non-EVE players to enjoy and create awareness for the game.

Apart from that they have also created a successful and interesting gambling game which many people in EVE enjoy playing.

At the very least they have allowed for a more diverse, active and vibrant EVE community to thrive through their contributions. Obviously SomerBlink is not the only entity that makes this possible, and other similar ones should also be shown appreciation by CCP too, but as you mentioned them specifically I used them as an example.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#132 - 2013-10-10 20:35:02 UTC
Is this review going to include the lack of opportunity for some time zones to participate in in-game events where items worth billions are "dropped"? I'm including both Dev roams and RP events.
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
#133 - 2013-10-10 20:35:42 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Kate stark wrote:


1) plex isn't restricted to who gets it.
2) plex aren't free handouts from ccp.

two very important differences.

2) They are to certain media organizers and community sites, and have been on numerous occasions for quite some time.

Look, we can say "no CCP involvement in helping fan sites," but that would probably end up being a net-negative. These giveaways can have a net-positive effect, when given to the right communities/events.

But the magnitude of the reward should be kept in check. No one would care if Somer got 20 exotic dancers in-game from CCP. Everyone apparently cared when Somer was to get even a single Gold Magnate (enough for CCP to take that one off the table REAL quick).

Clearly, the magnitude of the reward is something that is quite relevant.
Gougeres
Ad Exxitium
Vel Ad Exxitium.
#134 - 2013-10-10 20:37:21 UTC
Cyrane Aurorea wrote:
Gougeres wrote:
Cyrane Aurorea wrote:


I actually feel that the people that have received something from CCP so far have more than deserved it, and have, in most cases, enriched my experience in the game through their community contributions.


I am genuinely curious as to what SomerBlink has done to 'Enrich your experience in the game' ?


My post wasn't specifically aimed at SomerBlink, as stopping the giveaway program affects everyone, not just that specific organization.

But to answer your question, SomerBlink has sponsored many other organizations, corporations and individual players in the game, financially and through ships.

Some examples of sponsoring;
- Sponsoring Kil2 (now knows as CCP Rise)
- Sponsoring the New Eden Open tournament teams
- Sponsoring Alliance tournament participants
- etc..

I think that for a large amount of playerbase the aforementioned have enriched their game experience due to the events and content being created for everyone to enjoy and even for non-EVE players to enjoy and create awareness for the game.

Apart from that they have also created a successful and interesting gambling game which many people in EVE enjoy playing.

At the very least they have allowed for a more diverse, active and vibrant EVE community to thrive through their contributions. Obviously SomerBlink is not the only entity that makes this possible, and other similar ones should also be shown appreciation by CCP too, but as you mentioned them specifically I used them as an example.



Well, I would disagree with some of what you have said, since it's the players that donate ISK to Somer that result in the sponsoring of events you noted, but I appreciate your reply.
Kate stark
#135 - 2013-10-10 20:37:55 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Is this review going to include the lack of opportunity for some time zones to participate in in-game events where items worth billions are "dropped"? I'm including both Dev roams and RP events.


do they not have alarm clocks in your timezone?

with all due respect, if you wanted them you'd log in and try and get them. if you chose not to participate; that's on you really. just like if you never turned up to whatever event it was they were giving away the noobships then you didn't have a right to moan about that one either.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Riyal
invidious Squid
#136 - 2013-10-10 20:40:39 UTC
Thanks you for the post Guard.

It seems that the internal company mindset is that the scorpions are nice but not overly valuable gifts. I don't think that this was communicated well enough.

(The in game price drop after the leaked mail and the surprised player reactions are a pretty good indicators of this)

In hindsight my post should have had more psssshhhh

ISD Eshtir
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#137 - 2013-10-10 20:40:58 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Personally I would like the rewards to be out of game.

But the biggest thing is for CCP to be transparent in these types of things, it looks dodgy when these kinds of things are hidden. You might not have meant for these to be kept a secret but you did not announce them your selves so that makes it just as responsible.

Also some customer service training for some ISDs wouldn't go astray. Closing a threadnaught and directing it to two different topics just showed us that they didn't have a clue. That just made it look like CCP where deliberately trying to shut down the communication on this issue by burying it in other topics.

As to the CSM some have shown (elsewhere) that they were pissed with the rest of us and others showed why the CSM regulations need the ability to recall members by the community because they had no clue what was going on.


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None ofthe Above
#138 - 2013-10-10 20:41:54 UTC
Kuda Timberline wrote:

...and this is why "we" can't have nice things.


I was thinking this too.

Thanks, Guard for a thoughtful well considered response.

I think one of the key things is that CCP has been investing in its player base and working with player organizations to help EVE thrive.

It may very well be that CCP misstepped here, but clearly not out of malice or corruption. Overly enthusiastic and without due consideration perhaps.

Calls for out of game gifts are all well and good. That is certainly the fairest. But does it give CCP enough tools to get the job done? Meaning the job of sustaining and growing eve's population?

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#139 - 2013-10-10 20:42:43 UTC
Gougeres wrote:

Well, I would disagree with some of what you have said, since it's the players that donate ISK to Somer that result in the sponsoring of events you noted, but I appreciate your reply.

They did not donate the ISK to somer, they paid for a service. In this case: entertainment.

If a player got rich by traiding, you would not say that people donated money to him. They paid him for a service, buying and selling goods.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#140 - 2013-10-10 20:42:51 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I was disappointed to see those removed after the Incarna riots. I could imagine a CONCORD system set aside for just such a NCO museum.

They put it back to the old monument a while back.



What a petty thing to do.