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Announcement regarding rewards and prizes to fansites and third-party contributors

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Miss Ladybird
Doomheim
#1721 - 2013-12-30 11:06:36 UTC
Maximus Andendare wrote:
Thanks for the statement. However, it doesn't particularly address the glaring fact that SOMER received free trips to Fanfest and unique ships for a "fair" contest "for the community" that CCP has no control over or audit power for. Further, the contest is inherently biased toward people who blow billions of isk playing blinks, giving them a disproportionate amount of entries for unique ships only obtainable through this medium (not to mention making SOMER even more isk), as well as giving a player-run, for-profit corporation the ability to decide who can even have a chance at winning it, considering SOMER Blink solely and unilaterally has the power to ban accounts at will.

The fact that you guys earlier compared SOMER Blink to a charity is shocking, off-putting and shows a deep disconnection between what CCP believes "a community service" is and what the players do. Many players believe that "a community service" is something that actually enriches the game or provides content to it. SOMER Blink is a third party website created solely to print isk for its founder. They provide no services in game. At all. (This doesn't even to speak to the fact that serious concerns exist for many players to the legitimacy of the SOMER Blink lottery system. For example, how is it that the player with the most blinks won, Replacement 234, doesn't appear in the most blinks played? Is Replacement 234, with an win rate at a minimum of 32.7%+ simply luckier than the next-highest winner, Featious who has a 28.8% win rate? Or the highest winner (with over 9 TRILLION isk more than Replacement 234) doesn't even appear to have played or won the most blinks?)

The difference in your example of "go to game trade show, get swag" and the SOMERgate fiasco is that as players we can choose to attend game trade show--at our wills--and get swag. We don't, however, have the luxury of playing blinks if the account is banned. Further, you're not limiting the prize pool to players attending EVE Vegas, as your trade show example would indicate. It is open to anyone willing to blow billions of isk on blinks. Even then, they would still have an inequitable chance of winning against other players who have a disproportionate amount of tickets. Your basic example of simply playing a promo blink and having an entry is pedantic at best and deceitful at worst, considering that everyone knows that blink players will have hundreds or thousands of tickets entered.

It's good that you've put future plans on hold for hopefully a better process. It's unfortunate, though, that you decided to stop recognizing community sites short of providing rewards to meaningful providers of content in the game, instead opting to enrich a for-profit corp's wallet instead. The fact that you haven't pulled the unique rewards, given the glaring deficiencies in using SOMER Blink as the provider of the contest, shows me that CCP has only a passing concern to the legitimate grievances we players have. CCP owes nothing to SOMER Blink, and if this were believed by CCP, it would have pulled the unique and fantastical prizes in favor of something more traditional like PLEX packs or Collector's Editions.


This was the first response to the thread. Did anyone from CCP even bother to read it?

I think they did, they just tactically ignored it.

By the way, I love the way there is a survey out claiming that 'our opinions matter'. Well everyone who has responded to this thread knows different.
Dave Stark
#1722 - 2013-12-30 11:13:17 UTC
Miss Ladybird wrote:
By the way, I love the way there is a survey out claiming that 'our opinions matter'. Well everyone who has responded to this thread knows different.


they said there'd be a survey for this topic, there hasn't been.
Miss Ladybird
Doomheim
#1723 - 2013-12-31 02:44:00 UTC
CCP - Does our opinions matter?
Diva Ex Machina
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1724 - 2013-12-31 09:25:18 UTC
Miss Ladybird wrote:
CCP - Does our opinions matter?


It would seem not.
Ritual Union
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1725 - 2013-12-31 15:10:40 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I'm still scratching my head about what these "great contributions" are exactly that SB made to EVE that CCP and others keep referring to. Is out of game gambling for isk and in-game swag via a 3rd party for-profit entity considered creating content?

Sexy Cakes wrote:
I think my biggest problem with the whole situation is that I feel CCP is awarding a straight up gambling enterprise simply because they help sell plexes. When you give out upwards of 400+ billion ISK in rare ships to 'the house' who is already raking in ISK hand-over-fist it seems lame as hell.


RollRollRoll

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Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1726 - 2013-12-31 23:28:45 UTC
Just a friendly reminder to CCP that all of these Somer related issues are still issues.

Anyway, Happy 2014 to all.
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1727 - 2014-01-03 04:16:19 UTC
Still waiting Sad
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1728 - 2014-01-03 04:25:25 UTC
Deka Ekato wrote:
Just a friendly reminder to CCP that all of these Somer related issues are still issues.

Anyway, Happy 2014 to all.

Keep it up for another year.

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Dave Stark
#1729 - 2014-01-03 15:30:51 UTC
so i hear half of the ccp staff have gone to work for riot, guess that's why we haven't got an answer.
Nolak Ataru
Singularity Expedition Services
Singularity Syndicate
#1730 - 2014-01-03 15:36:00 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
so i hear half of the ccp staff have gone to work for riot, guess that's why we haven't got an answer.


jumping ship before it sinks...
Dave Stark
#1731 - 2014-01-04 13:48:19 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so i hear half of the ccp staff have gone to work for riot, guess that's why we haven't got an answer.


jumping ship before it sinks...


and somehow, the iceberg surprised them all...
CCP Falcon
#1732 - 2014-01-07 11:27:07 UTC
Good morning Ladies and Gents.

First off, apologies for the length of time it's taken to respond to this thread. The last couple of months have been pretty hectic with the launch of Rubicon, the Philippines PLEX for GOOD project, and a lot of other projects, as well as the holiday period for a lot of our staff, and a few changes in position and suchlike.

Firstly, I'd like to draw your attention to a thread that CCP Dolan has created in Jita Park Speaker's Corner.

We're opening a dialogue with the CSM and the community regarding this, and you guys can feel free to air your concerns in a civil and concise manner in the new thread over on the CSM forums. As CCP Dolan explains, we want to make sure that this kind of issue doesn't re-occur, and we want to make sure that we have full transparency with regards to fansite and third party support in future.

To that end, we'll be having a sit down with CSM8 at the winter summit to ensure that player concerns regarding this are brought to light, and that people have their voices heard in a clear and concise manner. As such, we've opened the thread linked above in order of people to express their opinions.

A few points of note, before you join the new discussion regarding this:


  • If you're simply calling for blood, and for the banhammer to come down on people, please don't pollute the discussion with abusive or otherwise non-constructive posts. They will be removed.

  • Action has been taken appropriate to our rules and policies, and details of that action are the concern of CCP and the third parties involved. We will not breach the privacy of any third party to satisfy the repetitive calls for the banhammer to be applied, or reveal actions taken by CCP on this matter, or any other.

  • We appreciate the continued reports of issues similar to this, however the forums are not the place for them. If you feel that someone is violating the EULA, please file a support ticket under the appropriate category.

  • We're going to be realistic here, and not make a false promise. This will be a lengthy process. You're not going to see results overnight, as we have a whole policy and framework to draft. This will take time, and will be something that if necessary, we'll carry over onto the term of CSM9 to complete.

  • For now, any third party support that involves ingame assets remains suspended until this process is complete and we have a clear, transparent framework for support in place.


With the above points in mind, we would like to have an open dialogue with both the CSM and the community regarding player concerns on this issue, and we want to garner feedback and thoughts regarding third party support. This is why the summit session and the new thread have been created.

In the same respect, we expect players to come to us with concise feedback and constructive criticism. If the new thread goes the way of the old one, with pointless bumping and abusive posting, those responsible will lose their ability to contribute to the discussion. Don't spam, and the thread is stickied so don't pointlessly attempt to bump it or be disruptive to the ongoing discussion.

We realize that this is something that's a concern, we realize that this is something that a certain cross-section of the community would like to see addressed, and we realize that we need a solid, transparent framework in place going forward.

By working with us and offering us civil, concise feedback and constructive criticism, you can help us to do this.

As such, I'm closing this thread, which frankly, is a mess. It will however be kept for reference.

Please continue discussion within the forum rules in this thread.

Again, apologies for the length of time a response has taken, but we've been speaking at length internally regarding this issue.

Thanks.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

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