Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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it takes too much time and you can't check implants
boundary violations should be executed as in AT (immediate elimination)
what will you do if you notice boundary violations AFTER match fininshed?
rematch or what? that takes too much time too and can be unfair to for example surprise setups with their opponents having a lot of time to figure out how to deal with them

Well i would like to have a full set of AT tools, not some surrogates with limited abilities

Where does this even come from? No one is talking about "play styles" or you playing like me (you wanna run lvl 5 missions? because thats what I'm doing this week).

We are talking about the design and purpose of the game. Dojos don't fit because of the "unprobable deadspace bubble" aspect.

The way the corp principle in question (non-consensual pvp) works is that ANYWHERE in New Eden where a ship is in space, that ship is subject to unwanted pvp interaction. This also means that you can be 'backstabbed' anywhere also.

EVE succeeds because it doesn't do what other MMOs tend to do. While this would be a small thing, it goes counter to what makes EVE great and therefore shouldn't happen.

Guys? Read the post.


Whoever is deploying this dojo has to shove ships and modules into it. Somebody has to buy or manufacture those ships and modules. The minerals and moon goo to make those ships and modules must come from player activity. All this is is a way for one player to subsidize another player's PvP.

Dojos on Duality might have stuff automatically spawned into them but only because it's Duality. CCP Veritas is not proposing that Dojos on Tranquility will have free stuff spawned into them by CCP. Additionally, Veritas explicitly states "Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself", implying that the dojo can be attacked. It's only the deadspace matches that cannot be interfered with.

Nobody is proposing bringing Simulator Mode to Tranquility; Simulator Mode is already provided by Singularity and Duality.

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Now, the only concern I have is that if this is deployed to Tranquility, then this can be used as a method to leave a station that is currently camped. You can get your pod and implants out into space, bypassing the station camp, or get a force of pilots out into space and then warp to the station camp and optimals, rather than be forced to either use instant undock bookmarks (or in the case of bubbles, be forced to fight on the station undock spawn point).

You don't change the heart and soul of a game on "might". And in EVE, everyone PVPs, pvp isn't just 'pew'.

No, but it ensured that if someone wanted to try and attack me they would have to find me on my terms and engage me on my terms and not theirs. I am not saying we shouldnt reward the player who invests the time and manages to catch me, that aspect will always be in EVE and these dojos wont stop people from ganking freighters, can flipping ratters, and other methods of fighting people who dont want the fight.

The dojo can't be used for mining, ratting, incursions, offgrid boosts, or any other possible abuses. There will still be plenty of people to backstab, manipulate, and gank. There will be one method for one type of engagement and that is the 1v1.

Personally, I think the 1v1 is acceptable for TQ, I like some of the mechanics people have thought of with messing with the dojo while it is deployed, I think if CCP wanted to go larger than 1v1 it should explicitly stay off the TQ server. I look at the dojo as a great way to train on ships, even after 6 years I have no clue what the **** I am doing at times. I would still gladly go out on small roams, I would still PvP in conventional methods, and having this on TQ wouldn't change the fun I'd have flying with my corpmates into repeated oblivion and death.

Anyway,

Meh

Why can't we blob the AT teams then? Why can't we attack people in stations? Why can't we destroy nullsec assets in stations (that ccp will move for you after some months of inactivity)? Why can't we get access to APIs in game and check for alts since it's a way to metagame the pvp?

Is anyone else deeply disturbed that the EvE player base is so outraged because they can't interfere with an organized fight. Let's break this down for a moment and assume that the dojo came to support 10 v 10 fights. Now let's get the real perspective:
The dojo owner took the time to organize the location, time, and rules. Designed the complete structure and layout of the tournament rounds not limited to ships allowed, timers, WH effects (wouldn't that be fun). They also took all the time to gather and assemble all of the ships + fits. They then spent time broadcasting and gathering enough players who were interested in tourney contest. Then they gathered all of the capital to support prizes upfront. They also set aside a weekend to run the tournament and have gotten commentators involved as well. Finally after all of the planning and coordinating, a group of eve players who caught wind of the twitch stream/news burn over in t1 fit arty ruptures and warp in and ruin the whole tournament in a matter of minutes for some instant gratification lols. But let's not ruin EvE right?

Now don't get me wrong, it would be fun to see it happen once, but after every highsec **** who gets their kicks griefing, ganking, etc has had their fill and then some what's left. Another feature soiled and left unused bc we catered to a few players who need to seek some RL help.

Doesn't matter. In high-sec two players can agree to duel and do so in a safe. You have realistically no chance of figuring this out, much less scanning them down and getting to them in time to interfere.

What we can see from this scenario is that the two players who actually want a fair duel cannot be affected by you, nor do they affect you.

The problem with the current scenario is there is no way for two random players to do this without risking 5 logi alts interfering with the fight. There are players who duel like this - which is fine - and players that want a fair duel. A dojo gives the fair players an option to guarantee a fair fight. It does not affect a 3rd party like you, it only affects the ability for an agreeing duel member to interfere via alts or friends. Considering both parties agree not to do this when entering the dojo, this only affects those parties, never you or anyone else.

That is their choice, not yours.

Dojo doesn't do anything about implants either, and someone found to have boundary violated could be easily DQ'd after verifying with CREST if you didn't notice during the fight. For live checking, have your referee pilot act as the centerpoint and anyone who gets over 100km away from him is DQ'd and blapped by his arty maelstrom referee ship (or whatever).

You want full AT tools, but I don't think those should be made available to players, so we're not going to fully agree on this. I suggested a CREST-dump deployable earlier in the thread, but I would contend that everything else as far as rule enforcement is already reasonably doable by players with existing resources.