EVE General Discussion

*raises hand*
Example: You are mining alone in your belt, happily munching away at hapless asteroids.
You have your Dscan set to, oh, I dunno... just short of the distance to the next belt.
Anything that is NOT a mining barge appears on it, you assume it means you harm and move.
Suspect even another barge... it might be there to provide a warpin for others.

You don't have to nom every rock til 'teh asteroid is defeated'. If you plot a course across the belt and pretarget the juicies as you approach them you can get a few cycles in on each of them as you pass. Also because you're already moving and pointed at where your GTFO point is you can already be in the process of warping away before anything scary finishes landing on grid.

The people who are telling you this works are doing so because it has worked for them in the past to avoid being ganked.
It's worked for me. Heck, it's worked for people I was trying to kill... they were paying more attention to Dscan than I was and instead of landing in a mission pocket with a preoccupied shiny battleship I found myself landing alone in a pocket full of pissed off elite frigates and surly looking gurista battleships.

An account of how to use dscan to find something specific from someone who has never tried to use dscan to find something specific.

Celestial Objects and bookmarks. Prior planning prevents pshhh poor performance.

A Mackinaw travels at approx 100m/s, it takes around 4.5 minutes to cover 30KM, more than enough time to get a full cycle in and either switch to the next rock or appropriate celestial/bookmark.

It does work, but it's not really needed unless you've pissed off the wrong people.

He'll generally be flying a Catalyst, there's usually a few of them and I doubt most gankers bother to change the default ship name of a ship whose lifespan can be measured in seconds, even if they do it'll be probably be something obvious like Tear Collector, or Permit Inspector.

If you're mining, and there are gankers in local, if there's a Catalyst within 1M KM of you, there's a pretty good chance he's a ganker, if there's more than one Catalyst within 1M KM of you then they're almost certainly gankers.

It's not hard.

This looks like one of those facepalm moments.

But it's typical. High Sec is safe so it doesn't really encourage players to actually learn how to use tools the game gives. In low, null and WH space, your survival tends to revovle around yoru ability to use those tools and be aware, but for most people in high sec you don't even have to have local up.

You're honestly arguing with people about someting without be well versed in the thing being argued lol. Epic.

1. Look up zkillboard (or any other board) and look for losses in the shiptype you wish to fly. Identify the most common ship types used in the game to gank the ship type you wish to fly.

2. In game go to overview settings and make an overview that only shows
a. The top 10 ship types used to gank the hull you wish to fly.
b. The stations
c. The gates

3. Lets call this Simple defense #1.

4. TAB to this overview while in belt mining.

5. Open Dscan. Select use active overview for Dscan. Set angle for scan 360 degrees. Set distance at longest possible distance where no stations or gates show on dscan.

6. Hit Dscan. Once every 30-40 seconds and every time the number of pilots in local changes (yes I know that might mean every 5-6 seconds). If any of those ship types show up on dscan its time to align and prepare to warp out.

7. If a ship type shows up on dscan do not warp immediately, wait until they land on grid.

7a. If they land at/close to optimal for the common fit type used by gankers to kill your ship type, spam warp immediately.

7b. If they land close to another pilot get ready to activate your drones.

8. Add pilot to contact list and set corp/alliance -10.

9. Add pilot and all other corp mates in system to your watchlist.

10. If they were successful in ganking another pilot in the same belt, return to belt and mine happily with your concord insta support.

11. If concord insta support disappears while pilot/corp/alliance are in system. Align and repeat steps 7 on.

Once comfortable using Dscan like this you can start to change attributes.

11a. Change dscan distance range to include one station reduce angle to 30 degrees and scan. If you see a number of the specific shiptypes in scan you now know where they are coming from. There is a high chance they have an office in that station.

11b. When local numbers change, alter scan range and angle to pick up only one gate - scan 5 times over 30 seconds. Again if shiptypes show up you now know where they are coming from.

11c. When good at altering ranges and angles you can: scan gate 1. alter scan gate 2. alter scan gate 3 alter scan gate 1 alter....

So what is it Jonah? Is EvE a hard game or is it not hard? You just had to write a novel on how easy things are. Does that seem a tad ironic?

If Monopoly came with an encyclopedia of rules not many people would play it.

QFT I was living in wormholes within 2 months of starting Eve, paranoia is most definitely a survival trait, I still spam DScan even though I now live in highsec. Having local narrow in width but full screen height and locked to the right of my screen is also a leftover from those days, nullsec statics are fun.

What is novel like about "If you're mining, and there are gankers in local, if there's a Catalyst within 1M KM of you, there's a pretty good chance he's a ganker, if there's more than one Catalyst within 1M KM of you then they're almost certainly gankers."?

The not hard refers to the very last quote in my post, the rest of it was a reply to another post entirely, albeit from the same poster.

INB4 whiners nitpick Falcon's latest post instead of trying to understand what he is saying.

I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.

Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.

That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.

EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.

Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight

Basic rules of Eve could be:

1) Have fun.
2) Spend time with people whose company you enjoy
3) Try everything at least once
4) Remember skill points aren't everything, but a focused plan is better than a jack of all trades in the short term.
5) Have fun.

If you're not doing 1,2 and 5 to the best of your ability 3 and 4 won't make any difference to your enjoyment of Eve. It's not CCP's fault they provide the tools, it's up to you as a subscriber to implement those tools to create your own content and provide fun.

Eve isn't difficult per se, it's just the questions are difficult to understand. Once you have your questions, there's a whole range of resources available that can provide, if not a direct answer, then certainly a path to follow to understanding.

Use the test server, to trial different stuff too. Vastly under rated tool.