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This guy has it all figured out, but what is it that he has figured out? Certainly not suicide ganking.

You fail at logic.

People mine afk to make ISK while doing other things.

People either do not want to play to make ISK,
or do not want to put effort into it to make ISK,
or they lack time to actively play to make ISK.


Is it really that hard? -.-

I prefer the term "urban outdoorsman". Makes me sound active.

Fortunately for gankers, some players consider taking any steps at all to protect their space-canoes is entirely too much effort.

Unfortunately for everybody, the effort they should have expended in protecting their ships is channelled into whining on the forums about how unfair it is that they get ganked because of their ingame apathy and incompetence.

This thread is about the lack of defences available to high sec pilots. CCP Falcon has responded saying use the defences available. Syn Shi attempts to derail the thread (probably unintentionally) by repeating an oft heard argument that ganking is easy because of unlimited isk in game. I mock him. You attempt to defend AFK isk making in a thread about about the defences available to high sec miners and haulers. You claim I fail at logic. Context is useful.

If anyone wants to play Eve Online AFK that is their prerogative,with the views put forward in this very thread by CCP Falcon, I think there will be little on offer to help bolster their defences. As far as I am concerned - if you do anything AFK in Eve Online you are solely responsible for what happens to your hull, it's fittings and your pod.

Except that to insta warp you need to be aligned and up to 3/4 speed. You'll be out of range of the rocks in 5 minutes tops.

WRT the underlined, it's blatantly clear you've never mined in hi-sec.



Oh wow, I was going to reply to each one until this statement. The sheer level of stupidity that your statement has is incomprehensible.

So I'll move on to other posters.

Let's see, there is the "it would be lost on you" comment. That simply translates into "I haven't a clue myself so I can't explain it to you".

The point is you don't know a gank is coming until they are landing on grid and by then it's too late. Miners are already doing the best option available. Tanked out skiffs. It has even resulted in a few "nerf skiffs" whine threads. If using D-scan kept miners from being ganked, then there wouldn't be a need to run skiff fleets. They would simply use hulk fleets and rely on D-scan.


You can say D-scan all you want but until you can explain it's use and how it prevents you from being ganked while mining in hi-sec, D-scan is evidently useless (I say "evidently" due to the fact that if it was as useful as claimed, see comment above about the lack of hulk fleets using D-scan).

Never once mentioned afk mining...but if it makes you feel better feel free to make stuff up I said.

My post was nothing more than stating a fact. Its easy and cheap to gank there. So what if Concord shows up. Just buy another ship.

Oh ya, just hire somebody to protect you......derp. If that was a viable option it would be happening...guess what...it doesn't.

Just replace the ship. Ships are easy to come by.

Want to add risk back in, reduce the access to ships. Then someone may think twice about doing something if they will have a hard time replacing it.

Seriously though. Don't you just love how these people throw in all kinds of suggestions for miners to "avoid ganking" and then say that miners are stupid for not following their advice.

It never once clued in to them that miners have tried their advice and guess what? It didn't work.

Miners are already doing the best option available to them. Fleets of tanked out skiffs.

What you propose would require too many things and it still wouldn't be as effective as what miners do now. Tanked skiffs.

1. Your alignment would have to take you across the belt. Doable with a safe spot because you won't always have something to warp to that will take you across the belt.

2. You will have to be constantly switching from rock to rock. You compare strip miner range to the belt as a whole when you should be comparing it to individual rocks.

3. Because you will not be in range to mine each rock before they get out of range, you'll have to turn round. You'd be lucky to do this in 2 runs meaning you would need two bookmarks (one for each direction) which isn't hard but a competent ganker will warp in as you turn around meaning you won't be aligned to either bookmark.

Also, why isn't it that you see mining fleets doing this? Because it doesn't work. If it worked, then you would see hulk fleets doing this instead of skiff fleets not doing this. So go ahead and tell me all about how you've done this marvelous "defense" with great success.



See comment below.



Look at what? All the neutrals within 14 au in hi-sec? I've yet to see anyone explain the use of d-scan as a way of catching gankers before they land on grid. Someone ganks you so you mark them red. Great, you know when a ganker is in system. They'll also show up on overview but by then it's too late. D-scan only tells you ship name (which can be anything and can be changed) and ship class (which doesn't equate to ganker). So how do you identify a ganker on D-scan?



It's called they are doing the best option available but even the best option doesn't stop ganking completely and that's what they are looking for. I was able to grasp that simple concept and yet you couldn't. Clearly the ignorant one is you.

Reading comprehension. I never said you said anything about AFK mining....