Wormholes

Watching DS and 2 holes is demanding if you multibox. With no local, even more fun. Whilst on these great changes, why not give nullsec 60 second delay on newcomer to system? :)

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This is anti-PVE, and PVE is already struggling seriously in EVE

In the Dev blog you state this will make it harder to "rage roll" and that it should only make it harder for PVP corps. PVP corps don't care at all that it takes slightly more time, and they usually have huge fleets or at least pvp fitted ships ready to rock and roll. This will affect PVE corps and small corps only.

Larger corps won't care at all, they have big fleets to support. Small corps will get bumped and lose ships while trying to secure their Home system.

Terrible for smaller corps or PVE
Awesome for PVP

BAD

Perhaps no one wants to venture into C5/C6 territory for fear of being ragerolled out of existence...

Hey guys, thanks for the feedback so far. Special thanks to those who are providing lots of text about the reasoning behind your feelings, as those are the most useful posts.

We're continuing to pour over all the feedback and considering multiple options for adjustments to the plan based on what we're hearing. We probably won't have something new to announce for a couple days but we want you to know that we are listening and working hard behind the scenes in the meantime.

no wonder with ppl bashin you so hard. Also post above your explains pretty much the feeling of my corp.

This change can be both good and bad but I see mostly negative effects from it
for hunters this will cause more kills from hole rollers (who doesn't enjoy orca kills)
this will also cause massive chains to be scouted out because of the higher difficulty of hole rolling and because of the higher number of K162 connections so in that turn it can be good as well for both PvP and PvE

but for those looking for content by rolling the hole either for farming reasons or looking for kills because the closest active hole is 10 jumps down the chain or the connections go to care bear corps that log at the first sign of PvP it will be a bad change especially for the smaller class wormhole corps really anything less than a C5 this will be a bad thing for farming people will still do it but it will just make it harder on them to do so also with higher risk and that will affect 2 things negatively the first which is isk generation for those corps and higher losses on top of the lower isk flow the only positive thing I can see coming from this is higher prices on sleeper salvage because of the higher risk and the lower amount coming from W space in general

so yes for PvP this will be a good thing and it will be harder on the care bears to stay safe as well but it will make farming harder which makes it harder to be able to PvP in the first place

So the mass causing bigger ships to be sent further makes sense but I think the distances need re worked a bit for this reason or prices of blue loot needs to go up to make up for not being able to farm as much in the lower class holes

What if...

The practice of rage rolling is done generally by large groups to generate content at the players discretion.
CCP has stated that their desire is to make the practice of hole control more dangerous.
Additional changes to wormhole mechanics are increasing wormhole connectivity including nearly unclosable holes

I wondered not so long ago about why wormhole entities only ever occupy a single hole.

Certainly logistics of managing disconnected entities play a part but as a group seeking PvP as many larger C5/C6 groups do, wouldn't occupying more holes equate to more content? In the current game, I see why this is undesirable. Too many small, empty chains and no one in their right mind would spread your capital ships needed to roll holes out across multiple systems. But...

If wormhole connectivity is increasing due to increased random spawns and the frigate sized holes, will wormhole chains now be deep enough to allow for a large wormhole corporation to spread beyond a single system effectively? Will you occupy multiple holes simply to enjoy a series of deep wormhole chains? Will instead of rage rolling from one system, could you instead fan out from multiple as small gangs naturally formed around similar playtimes, timezones, or players while maintaining a home "carebear" system for PvE that can be controlled when a fleet is formed using modified, riskier, hole closing?

A wormhole environment where the use of capitals for PvP isn't the norm due to the risk of random spawn distances from holes but instead smaller fleets of smaller ships?
Hasn't this been something that CCP has been working towards in other areas of the game?
Smaller ships means more accessibility to pilots
More accessibility means more people
More people means a healthier wormhole space...

Something perhaps to consider

more accesibility means more people. Right. Passing? Or staying? For I cannot see how making it harder to roll and with more statics, how can that add, apart from mroe danger to small groups.

Keep in mind plz, its not nullsec. Ive seen 8 char wormhole group. Basically these changed deprive them of their playing space.

Thank you fozzie, with all the proposals there is much to read and digest, and naturally it is quite natural to take time to come to clear conclusions and adjustments to make them the best you can, respectfully though, on this one proposal, many believe that it is so misconceived that it is not worth considering in any form, and no adjustments will make a good proposal from it.
You may of course completely rework it in such a way that we are all completely surprised.

There are wormhole people on this thread who are widely respected and you have a phenomenal opportunity to gain insight into the mechanics and operation, that would be rare to find elsewhere. I hope you take the best advantage of their experience and insight.

Good luck with this, but as you will read, the concept of making hole rolling work is quite refined currently, we are working with tools that are less than ideal, and that making things more troublesome and random will only reduce vitality and activity. Hard, difficult to discover mechanics, that are worked for and eventually mastered are the hallmarks of wormhole space, introducing luck and random survival/risk features are not what has allowed people to thrive in conditions that are so challenging, by all means give us a difficult new mechanic, that we need to puzzle over, and seek its secrets, just please do not give us a " you have 30%chance of all your capitals dying" feature especially when it is connected to such a core daily requirement.

Bob hears us, and that's all that matters. Every time you jerks have stuck your fingers in it, you've pulled back stumps.