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Shame they didn't do that when buffing projectiles.

any range, any damage type, no cap usage, no choosing between dmg mods and tank....

I just like to fly somethin' new. many years of minmatar usage made me a little tired ^^ I'd like to get back to some ships i do not use because there are others which are just more fitting in their role. Only having two options right now is boring.
a) hurricane b) logi is not a big variety
using a myrm in a hurricane fleet makes you primary :D

Not disagreeing with anything you say here; you make some wonderful points.

Specifically, there is only one reason why I would like to see hybrids appropriately buffed:

• Circle of [EVE] Life: more options -> more interest -> more fights -> stronger economy -> more isk -> more options -> ... (repeat)

It is not a stretch by any means to conclude putting more hybrids on the battlefield will strengthen EVE as a whole. It will cause their demand to go up. It would cause prices of hybrid weapons and ships to go up. Incidentally, have you compared the price of an Astarte to a Sleipnir? Remember the base "cost" of materials (i.e. amounts and efforts to obtain them, not price) is virtually the same, and it becomes quite hilarious...

PvPers want more options. Manufacturers want more options. EVERYONE wants a stronger economy. It only makes sense to do this right.

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BINGO!

Have a seat Imrik86. Men are talking.

Just wondering, the buffs are to BASE turrets, right? So they will be affected by skill and bonuses?

Or do hybrid just lag so far beind that a ~15% buff isn't enough.

the hybrid balancing is still a work in progress. they want to see how the new buffs will work out to gather some more data on how to tweak them some more ect. possibly nerf projectile turrets even i hope ;)

^ Never heard about a Drake before?

Caracal is likely the second best cruiser in the game too.

The problem, as I see is it, is:

* They introduced the speed nerf
* They rendered Gallente and Minmatar useless
* They buffed projectiles, and that compensated the speed nerf making Minmatar OP
* They did nothing to Gallente, which stayed with a broken concept

Anyone agrees?

No, I do not agree. Your perception of the problem only indicates how much you really don't know. How long have you been playing? How often do you pvp?

That's why I say hybrids, as a whole, are fine after the proposed changes. They are trying to put hybrids more midway of lasers and projectiles. The changes in reload time, ammo size, blaster damage increase and rails tracking increase point at that direction.

No, they absolutely do not point in that direction. Just because 5 seconds is between 10 seconds and 0 seconds doesn't mean hybrids are "between" lasers and projectiles. What does it even mean to be "between" them anyway? You're not making sense; again, you're just showing your ignorance (don't take that personally).

There are quite a few complaints about hybrids, some of which are:

• hybrids don't provide any native benefits to the pilot
• blasters don't have enough range
• hybrids don't do enough damage
• conventional ammo blows
• t2 ammo blows
• gallente ships are too slow to execute the "blaster" philosohpy
• caldari ship bonuses to hybrid range are not enough for blasters and, unrealistically, too much for rails (warp to 150)
• blaster philosophy contradicts armor tanking
• hybrid cap use contradicts active tanking bonuses

Take your pick. There are many more, and most of them should be addressed, namely the first one, if for no other reason than to put hybrids back on the popularity map.

The original vision they had for them (blaster as high-damage, close range weapons) is okay. What they have to iterate more on and fix are the game mechanics, and they won't be able to do that changing weapon stats alone. That requires looking at the ships and the modules that collaborate to using blasters.

That's not entirely true, but for the sake of argument I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So they decided to buff Gallente ship speed and agility, although Minmatar ships remain faster.....you don't see a problem with this? Also, you need to look up "iterate."

That's not fixing, that's just throwing the original concept out of the window.

The original concept is fundamentally flawed as long as you put shortest range weapons on slower ships!!! Screw the original concept!

Proposing any of the above means one just wants Gallente to be Minmatar. That's the same as crying for Gallente to be the new FOTM, to also have an I win button, instead of fixing what's wrong with the game mechanics in the first place.

As long as projectiles have alpha capability, allow the user to choose damage type, and are cap-free, they will NEVER lose appeal. And I HIGHLY doubt these three things will ever make it to the hybrid platform, so really, there is NO way for "Gallente to be Minmatar," as you so eloquently put it.

Besides, how do you propose hybrids get fixed? You're awfully quick to say "you don't know what you're talking about" yet have yet to provide a single constructive statement. Now's the time....

PS: I could care less if you can fly Minmatar and can already pwn everybody. That's not the point here.

So long as you keep derailing this thread with your "i win button" statements, YOU are missing the point. No one feels that way, no one is asking for it, and no post in this entire thread even remotely implies anyone believes that crap but you.

Not sure this is the ONLY reason but this is definitely true.

I really like the what you're doing with the ammo size and fast reload time, i feel this should have been implemented a long time ago!

As for the extra damage, well i fly with hardwiring implants close to theses changes and i fail to see how this tackles or even closely tackles the issues we have with Gallente today. By design you, CCP, have made gallente armor tankers and thus gallente ships are rarely seen with some sort of tracking enhancers modules.. Have you ever flown a Gallente battleship without a web? Its so bad that if you have access to any other race, just pick them from now on,

As of right now i see no real solution to even tackle the problem, all i see are just cosmetic stats that don't actually help anything.

Gallente's problems have always been acceration and tracking - End of!

I think the point still has merit. For a game which is largely based on PvP, roughly one third of their ships not providing any real PvP use is a pretty staggering statistic. Most of that third is Caldari/Gallente, too, I would add.