Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bump....

Yeah, I kinda have same feelings as Kane for a couple of days now.

I don't believe dev responsible for this change was so frikking sick or busy with daily duties to not have even 5 minutes to post some response here. And what Fozzie posted was just utterly stupid. Sorry but "our metrics show farming in hisec" is not an explanation why you butchered non-FW lowsec pvp. And yeah, "all places in Eve are dedicated to pvp"

So this is last kick from me. If keeping thread alive for over a month with participation of lowsec dwellers from all over New Eden didn't do the trick I have no fking idea what will.

For 20 pages we have said a lot of words. We have nursed the topic back to the top of the sub forum, storm twitter, posted in blogs, complained to the CSM and in general done our best to not just push our agenda but define what and why it is. We've answered questions, answered criticism and hopefully enlightened people.

At this point there isn't a lot more to say other then the waiting for a response type of thing. Fozzie did post and it was the expected "Not getting it back". He is not in charge of this project and his massive, growing threadnought for the BC changes is where his attention lays.

So we sit here, with a point of notice but no nudge to what may be.

Maybe they thing it will drive more people to null or something, or actually increase lowsec population by reducing the areas where pirates can well....pirate?

That, or they just don't give a damn about the non-aligned people, those who do what they like when they like to do it and don't like being pushed around, CTA'ed, sent to bash PoSes and so on.

We have no real voice in the CSM, mainly because organizing us is like herding cats, and we're a tiny minority of players, so we are easy to ignore. The fact that we "misused" a game mechanic to create our "life style" (in reality we turned a turd PvE element into a gold mine of "emergent gameplay" - I guess you can polish some turds, until they get replaced into complete crap) is just a testament of how under-represented the solo and small scale frig/dessy lowsec pirate is and how little CCP cares about our play style in general.

So who's the bad developer that championed this extremely poor change?...

Hmm, this is an interesting discussion.

So it's not just about the gate-mechanics, but
also about something to fight over.

Putting the gate back in doesn't seem to cut it
as i can tell from the responses.

So what we want is some "unfarmable" kind
of treasure that's tempting enough for people
to go there and fight over it?
With ship restrictions and all.

I think the sad faces are less about the old plex,
but more about a lack of shinies to fight over.
And the DED's served that role, even with it's flaws.

It would be an opportunity to rework non-fw
lowsec in general but that would take a long time,
considering ccp has other projects in queue.

The suggestion of putting them back in
without treasure is one step towards us,
wich i appretiate, but not enough.

Let's keep making suggestions and be optimistic
and not be grumpy :)

Heheheh, waiting for "CCP Bettik ganked my venture" on GD :)

I know I said I won't post here anymore but my metrics don't show enough farming on forums.

To late this thread is no longer about the reinstatement of the 2/10's and is instead about how we will plan our revenge starting with a few 'CCP Bettik caused this Gank' roams in high-sec.....

I would tend to agree with you on this one but I need to cut some slack for those who are ending their calm well thought conversation. Its been over a month since we first brought this up and still the DEV who is responsible for overseeing these changes has said nothing, if I were being ignored like that I would be pissed too and throwing $#!+ around as well... wait, I am being ignored aren't I?

At any rate the way I see it is that the players have done a excellent job listing their complaints, discussing ideas and suggestions to the problems, but we are being ignored. Without input from a DEV who is serious about tackling the issue discussion will flounder and eventually peter off until this is a forgotten topic at the bottom of the forums. Sad to say if CCP wants to execute this strategy they can, and it will work seeing as without DEV input we very quickly can cover all our ideas since they will not be met with the criticism needed from a DEV who cares about low sec and the vibrant PVP that these PVE complexes led to. Also if CCP doesn't want to do anything I suppose they don't have to since it is their product.

With the current prices of the potential drops from the DED 1 & 2 sites there will be many a assault ship wreck sitting around those plexes should they be reinstated. Honestly I find that this is a great opportunity for CCP to foster even more PVP. With the high sec versions gone, those seeking the "easy" isk will have to fight for the right to be able to get a chance at the loot, and with the prices so high, many people will want to take the risk to go after the possibility. The removal of the highsec complexes was a golden idea, and would have reinvigorated PVP in lowsec on a whole new scale. Though admittedly having removed them entirely for a time will only work to bolster the PVP had at these complexes should they be reinstated now since the supply of the DED modules is slowly dwindling.

Again I also advocate for some changes to the complexes to avoid the exploitation of being able to cloak and wait for the overseers to spawn in the final room and farm the complex at minimal risk, but that has been discussed in great detail throughout this thread.

To any DEV that has a interest in doing something positive for the community, take a good look at this thread and give it a read in its entirety. We the dwellers of low sec seem to have an idea on how these work, and how they can be improved, and if you disagree with us, give us your thoughts and opinions so we can either understand why these changes have been made or give us the opportunity to show you why you are wrong (we've put ourselves out there for criticism).

CCP boasts that the game is community driven, and that the players make significant contributions to the changes that effect the course of game development. The challenge that our community is trying to give you now is: MAKE THAT STATEMENT TRUE.

Sylvous

Any hints as to what will?

Logical and reasonable questions / suggestions has thus far failed to garner any informative response from CCP (props to Fozzie for being the only dev to have a go though).