Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about making these deadspaces have rats, with a slightly higher probabilty (2-5x) of elite faction spawns over the surrounding belts? No locked accels, but you get a faction rat once every ~4 hours... The reward wouldn't be high enough to warrant farming but worth poking a look in. Or something like that. Removing the locked acceleration gate would reduce the farming benefit while significantly increasing risk. The switch to normal elite spawns would also nerf the reward.

Hi, my name's Hampton, and I am a carebear.

I dabbled in pvp nearly 100% unsuccessfully, but I dabble. I started because of these complexes; hearing about a 55m drop, I naturally checked it out. With sub 1 million skill points I was about to make a small fortune.. and meet pirates. I'm in no way a fast reflex, preemptive decision maker type of gamer required to be good at pvp in EVE.
I did make a small fortune, and I did get blown up. I also survived long enough to see another pirate kill my pirate. I fully support these exciting static plexes. I was deeply saddened when I checked the DED map to see they were all gone. Now I'm looking back into AFK mining since it's not exciting for my low SP character to try to PVP (read: go into lowsec) with nearly zero reward. Are there opportunities as a low SP player in lowsec? Sure, but I don't know about them. Something simple as an onboard scanner made me a part of a community for awhile, and now I have no reason to be. I also have no reason to stop my mining barge 5

I don't have time to find a niche lucrative business in lowsec as a carebear or casual player.

Please bring back the complexes and I will continue getting blown up

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l that to say, I'm not advocating we reverse that decision as long as we can brainstorm an alternative type of content that satiates the PvP-oriented "fight club" crowd. Placing a tags-for-secs reward inside an easily scannable plex is just one such idea for a replacement.

There's lots of issues to consider, however...for instance the current DED complexes do take several rooms deep to complete, and I'm not sure a multi-layered complex would be considred worth wading through to get the equivalent reward of shooting a nullsec rat to improve your security status. Perhaps a single-room (FW-style) would work, but than we'd have to see a fairly frequent spawn rate in order for them to actually provide places where people are present enough of the time to provide a pew target. The several-rooms-deep aspect of the DED plexes contributed greatly to that.

But in the end, that's just one idea. We're totally open to other suggestions here, the important thing is puzzling out a content / context / reward balance that delivers the same amount of fun for the outlaw PvPers you are complaining about here, so they can engage each other in this separate venue instead of camping content designed for explorers constantly.[/quote]

Hanz, I did not at all mean to imply that lowsec belonged to FW. But you of all people should not need me to clarify this. If anything, pirates made their homes in lowsec long before FW existed and at the moment there was security status for systems and Concord. What I do stand by, though, is the fact that if I happen to be focust-minded, trying to win eve! and find myself alone plexing or missioning in a stationless system (God knows who would otherwise be living or visiting there) and a player hits local. A Caracal shows up on short scan called, @€¥^urface, there is little for me to wonder about their intention. I check their sec status. -4.6. K. I have three options. Run away, let him shoot first, or take the security hit, blind him with my vespa 600's, then go to town on him with my blasters and control range. Rinse and repeat with every pie engagement that is away from a gate. It is inevitable that I should myself become pie for defending myself against a <-5.0 pilot that is clearly bent on collecting my loot and making a trophy out of my KM. I cannot defend my negative sec status alliance members when a -4.6 pie tackles a fleet member at a gate. These are obviously problems, and your proposed sec-tag solution sounds as ridiculous as it is hilarious in its irony. As I find it would indeed, as you mentioned, provide quite the opposite effect: A pilots enters a sectag site to improve his standings, confronts a gang of pies he has to aggress individually. He walks away alive this time with loot and tags, worst off in his sec status than he was initially and no better than he began even after turning in the tags. There is a problem with the sec status, but the solution should not be a treasure chest in shark infested water.

How about making those static plexses give out non material rewords, like standings and security status changes?

There is already need in low sec for standing and sec status mechanics beyond ratting and missioning. You want -10 standings without hunting pods all day? Simply go to static plex and run them for some time and get to -10. Want positive sec status? Well there would be static plexses in low sec that give out that too, and much faster then ratting. Want to improve your standings with some empire or corp or NPC pirate corp that you ruined all the way back when you were noob running missions? No problem because there would be 1/10 and 2/10 static plexses that would do exactly that. Only drawback they are only in lowsec and there are people in those plexses waiting other people just like you to kill them.

Of cource you need make “in character” story for actions that need to be performed in plex to get those standing/sec changes, something like “save valuable document for this allince/corp” to improve standings or “kill refuges camp station” to get negative standings and so on.

Those static plexses would be unique for lowsec, essentially a resource that would make that space different and valuable in a way w-space, 0.0 and high sec are not, and also provide ad least part of PvP utility that were proved by old 1/10 and 2/10 static plexses.

You want a metric? Go look at the number of kills in Heild or Gusandall before and after the changes.

Another metric? Go look at the cost of a well fitted slicer (which 100% requires a b-type mwd). Talk about making PVP more expensive to new players (while more experienced players dont notice the cost of a fitted slicer at all, even with the bump in b-type mwd costs).


The cost increase is because the 2/10 is highsec only, and you can just farm level 4s instead of probing down what is not really a lucrative site. Most of the time you get nothing, and thats assuming you can even find one now. The main effect of this is that newer players cant afford slicers and similar ships as easily, while older richer players can still fly w/e they want.


Also, why take one of the reasons people enter lowsec away, and put yet more pve content into highsec?

There are plenty of empty beacons all over the place. There is even one left in oddeulf from a live event, that was never removed. Nobody ever goes to them, and they are pretty much a complete waste. I have no idea what content they ever had, apart from that one in oddel.

The reasons fights happened on the plexes is that you were fighting over something.

And moving them to the highsec exporation system doesnt solve much, given how easy and lucrative level 4s are. Moving them to lowsec exploration would be even worse, since it would dilute the better plexes and nobody does lowsec exploration in a frigate anyway

Edit: As for farming the plexes, the ones in lonetrek have awful respawn timers, and I would almost always just take the keys from the first room so I would have spare keys to chase people into deeper rooms. Ive quite a stack of keys now, all quite useless.

No, plenty of people did farm them, in stabbed cloaky frigates w/e. The thing is, there are numerous way to fix the farming problem that didnt involve nerfing lowsec and reducing the amount of pvp content available, particularly to newer players.

You can consider them what they want, but they were indeed farming the plexes.

If farming is the primary motive/concern with regards to these sites then I propose the following.

Remove all NPC belt rats to prevent isk/sec status farming.
Remove all exploration content so explorers don't farm sites as they move sysyem to system.
Remove all agents to prevent LP, standings, and bounty farming
Remove all barges to prevent ice/ore farming.

As ridiculous as this sounds it also means there would be no botters, thats a goal too right?
I forgot though it would also remove any chance of us PVPers finding ratters, explorers, missioners and miners to shoot at.

Acceptable loss though amirite?

/endsarcasm

That's what Amamake top belt is for... fight club, no need for specific area with some specific gamemech/flaging.
Or just put a static complex with reward and you will have a fight club... Oh wait...