Warfare & Tactics

At the end it will be all a question of balance. So basically what CCP has to set up is that a station in an almost empty system which is nearly no population is fast to conquer... e.g. by 3 to 6 hours of continuose attack. However, a station in core systems like Auga for example should take much more time to conquer if no defence arrives. At least 48 or more hours.

Ok - 40 hours changes everything. That is going to make a big difference. Sounds promising.

I wish I had time to load and play on the test server.

OK so now that we know it will take 40 hours to cap a system instead of the 8 there should be no problem now with station lockout. It gives every TZ an opportunity "to do their duty" of protecting the system.

Again what I like the most about these changes is the concentration of forces in a "home based" system.

I dont think these changes, change FW into 0.0 I think they force FW to be FW . LIke I said its feast together or die together, just as it should. A marine in one division and a marine in another division are still in the same marines.

It also seems faction ships now cost MORE LP. So although the rewards go up, so do the costs.

It seems to need tweaking right now though. A geddon navy issue costs more than an Mac apparantly.

I have always supported the concept of a lock-out feature and am interested to see that it may be implemented. However, I consider that the currently proposed mechanism is flawed, effectively penalising players for joining a militia corp. Consider that pirates in Amamake would have free access to all stations whereas TLF pilots would be completely excluded should the system ever become occupied by the Amarrian forces (extreme unlikely example I know but you get the point)

My vision of the feature has always been linked to personal/corporation standings to the station's corporation or faction.

Implementing it by standings would affect all players across all NPC space.

Hisec would operate on a NRDS basis:
STANDING: EFFECT
Excellent/Good: Free Access
Neutral: Free Access
Bad/Terrible: Lock Out

And losec on a NBSI basis:
STANDING: EFFECT
Excellent/Good: Free Access
Neutral: Lock Out
Bad/Terrible: Lock Out

NB: If you are at war with a faction, by joining an opposing militia, then you should be treated as having Bad/Terrible standings until you leave the opposing militia. Similar to the mechanism for the Faction Navies in NPC hisec.

This would prepare players for nullsec station mechanics without being too restrictive, as getting standings with NPC corporations is relatively simple.

I reiterate that this feature should be on a station by station basis, not on a system by system basis. So an Amarrian crusader (spit!) could still dock in Amarrian stations in Minmatar losec, or even hisec, that they have good standings with.

Taking this a step further would see the expulsion of faction aligned stations from an opposing faction's hisec, perhaps extending this to losec too.

Finally, militia stations would become conquerable stations, like exist in NPC nullsec but only conquerable by the opposing faction and only when the system is vulnerable or occupied by the opposing faction.

FW/LS does nto have to be a training ground for 00. I simply like the station mechanics for it making FW pilots to work closer together. FW does have the small splinter groups (a lot actually) but being able to come together to achieve a certain goal at a certain time is much much better then being ruled by some money hungry alliance leaders

LOL, problem solved. Nobody but an extremely few number of diehards is going to spend that amount of time to flip a system. We're back to pre-December plex warfare.

Wait let me get this right

1) CCP gives LP now for plexing
2) CCP give LP for faction kills
3)CCP gives bonuses for conquering systems
4) CCP rewards you for putting effort into something

And this is pre-december again? I udnerstand some may not like the changes but lets get real

CCP did this you participate = you get rewarded

you plex= you get rewarded

plex fights = kills = lp = winning plex = more lp

plex fights = more kills = more lp = winning plex = flipping system = more rewards

I fail to see the problem here?

They have incentivized people to plex from the very new (minors) to the veteran (majors) creating a reason to fiight and then giving you a cookie to do it.

Sounds good to me.

Alts m'dear. Alts.

Thanks Hrett, for pointing me over here. This is a much better place for ongoing discussion if its going to wander away from what should be strict SiSi feedback in the CCP-posted thread.

Since I've just discovered it here, I'll read through and get back to some of your questions to the best of my ability, thanks for your patience everyone..