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More FW changes on SiSi

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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#41 - 2012-05-03 07:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
X Gallentius wrote:
Why do I get the feeling we're witnessing the last days of the Caldari militia? Be careful for what you wish for Bolster. Get your corp mates to go find another isk-generating activity because it's all downhill for you guys from here on out.


I would just like to know if we're not going to be allowed to dock in Caldari hi-sec systems ? (lol at the complete lack of logic w.r.t station docking)



well that can be in general strong problem for each one timezone sides. Careful with that. If we cooperate we can tacticaly flip nenamalia, nisuwa and heydelis in 7 hours (we did similar action in last 4 days) when most of ur blobforce will be offline... and majority of ur assets will be locked in stations. Then u can come in early US timezone and lock our assets and war is over - have fun What?.

Or we all can move to low/null npc systems and just roll around in logistic blobs .... Roll

Problem is that CCP is too influenced by nullbears and is not understanding needs of low (and even high sec) people - they really should stop being goons directors and should try to play lowsec/fw. I have never heard anyone from CCP to speak about development strategy for low sec. They still see it as a transition to null (which is bullshit).

And to Hans ... fail ... hope it will get better
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
#42 - 2012-05-03 10:15:04 UTC
I hope you do commit to actually showing up to flip Nisuwa, Heyd and every other base the Gallente use but I'll believe it when I see it.

Your posturing assumes people will treat plexing like they do currently and not bother running them. If it has meaning and a reward (more pew and actual LP) I'm pretty sure people will run them against you, especially in their "home" systems.

I know all you like sitting in one station and pretending you're "home" and it means more than the next system, but I think it won't be particularly difficult to use several "home" systems and prudently have ships in multiple locations (even use a POS in your home system - Shocking I know!), with which to counter and 8 hour rush plexing job.

All you station lockout haters fail to realise this makes FW a lot more interesting and adds more possibilities to the gameplay. My belief is you're all just too myopic to see how this will be good for giving FW consequences and making the war a lot more meaningful. If you had perhaps seen more of the game and been around longer you'd appreciate CCP messing with your particular playstyle is a good thing as it forces you to change, grow, learn new methods and become a better all round player.

It is a change FW needs.
Cpt Cosmic
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-05-03 10:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cpt Cosmic
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
It is a change FW needs.

changing FW to pseudo nullsec is not what FW needs. If you want nullsec blob warfare and wastelands then go to nullsec. also what are the consequences when I can just leave FW for a while?
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-05-03 10:52:35 UTC
mental maverick wrote:


Ok, so those bolded parts there means I don't have to be in FW to reap the benefits of occupancy?

So can someone tell me again the reason for staying in the Militia as opposed to leaving and setting our standings/war deccing manually and act as true privateers? Just put a bunch of plexing alts in a separate corp, join militia and stick them in cloaky t1 frigs to capture plexes and fight with impunity on our "neutral" mains. I'd rather take the chance of fighting the occational fight under gate guns as opposed to not being able to dock tbh. Plus, no gateguns in plexes...

Don't forget to have an alt in the enemy militia to anchor your safespot/booster POS's so the enemy will take a big faction hit if they destroy it.

Just like your corp does now. Big smile

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#45 - 2012-05-03 10:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
I guess the space riches & dreams of all the Mission farmers leaving if they get locked out of stations will be just that.. Dreams..

I just ran a major on the test server & it paid out 20k LP. While the time it takes to run is much longer than a single FW mission, they are still easy enough to do that plexing will simply become the new farm method as the NPC's are still going to allow for frigs to pretty much speed tank any of the plexes. So instead of having bomber alts all over low sec we will see more T1 noob alts plexing and driving LP prices down even more.


I had a second thought on the plex war front and even with the Gallentte blobs, I think Caldari can actually control the fight at this point due to how fast systems can be flipped under the current plex mechanics. Plexing for station systems will just go back to advantage of who has most guys on few hours B4 & right after DT.

Quick example of how bad this system is and why the no docking in stations is bad. Right now once a system is flipped it can't be attacked again until the next DT. This means even though Caldari are out numbered in the major prime times, a small dedicated group can grief the hell out of any Gals that choose to live in FW low sec, after this update.

If Gals continue to base in Nenn for example, after this patch it only requires a small but dedicated group of Caldari to force them out of the system by using this new no docking mechanic to it's potential for grief play. Caldari only have to hit key systems like Nenn, Rak, Vlill, Nis & Hey to drive Gals out of low sec.

How can we do this? It's very simple Caldari have historically always had more activity just b4 & after DT. Caldari plexers only have to time making systems Vulnerable to right at down time. This means right after down time they can attack the bunker & once captured, Gals will not be able to get access to their ships til the next DT & even then not until they can spend 8 hours plexing & killing the bunker.

This means even if Gals try to take back the system the next day, they can't dock until it's re-captured and Then Caldari only has to wait til next DT to grief the Gals low sec home once again.

At first I thought Caldari might have issues under the new system, but now I think it will actually put the sov war back in our favor. GL gals, I think you going to need it if the current system goes live. Lol

Side note this mechanic seems to be lost on some of the Cal plexers as I tried explaining it, It got whined at by a couple that couldn't see past their 10 min orbit timers and thought I was jabbering up their plex channel. However perhaps they will read this post and understand. So Gals maybe you can live in Nenn a short time til they figure it out. Otherwise I'm looking for cheap BC hulls if you don't feel like moving them. Blink
Johnny Punisher
Avanto
Hole Control
#46 - 2012-05-03 11:51:05 UTC
If things really go really bad for us (fw corps), we could all just leave fw and do mutual wardecs against each other until things get better Pirate

At the moment I don't have that much time to play eve so I'd have to leave defending of my assets to others. Or fix my sec status and move stuff to highsec. Don't like it... Tho I don't think it's as bad as some ppl here have been theorizing. FW have strong corps, we'll adapt.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#47 - 2012-05-03 11:52:00 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
I guess the space riches & dreams of all the Mission farmers leaving if they get locked out of stations will be just that.. Dreams..

I just ran a major on the test server & it paid out 20k LP. While the time it takes to run is much longer than a single FW mission, they are still easy enough to do that plexing will simply become the new farm method as the NPC's are still going to allow for frigs to pretty much speed tank any of the plexes. So instead of having bomber alts all over low sec we will see more T1 noob alts plexing and driving LP prices down even more.


I had a second thought on the plex war front and even with the Gallentte blobs, I think Caldari can actually control the fight at this point due to how fast systems can be flipped under the current plex mechanics. Plexing for station systems will just go back to advantage of who has most guys on few hours B4 & right after DT.

Quick example of how bad this system is and why the no docking in stations is bad. Right now once a system is flipped it can't be attacked again until the next DT. This means even though Caldari are out numbered in the major prime times, a small dedicated group can grief the hell out of any Gals that choose to live in FW low sec, after this update.

If Gals continue to base in Nenn for example, after this patch it only requires a small but dedicated group of Caldari to force them out of the system by using this new no docking mechanic to it's potential for grief play. Caldari only have to hit key systems like Nenn, Rak, Vlill, Nis & Hey to drive Gals out of low sec.

How can we do this? It's very simple Caldari have historically always had more activity just b4 & after DT. Caldari plexers only have to time making systems Vulnerable to right at down time. This means right after down time they can attack the bunker & once captured, Gals will not be able to get access to their ships til the next DT & even then not until they can spend 8 hours plexing & killing the bunker.

This means even if Gals try to take back the system the next day, they can't dock until it's re-captured and Then Caldari only has to wait til next DT to grief the Gals low sec home once again.

At first I thought Caldari might have issues under the new system, but now I think it will actually put the sov war back in our favor. GL gals, I think you going to need it if the current system goes live. Lol

Side note this mechanic seems to be lost on some of the Cal plexers as I tried explaining it, It got whined at by a couple that couldn't see past their 10 min orbit timers and thought I was jabbering up their plex channel. However perhaps they will read this post and understand. So Gals maybe you can live in Nenn a short time til they figure it out. Otherwise I'm looking for cheap BC hulls if you don't feel like moving them. Blink


Well other option which comes to my mind, that I will create "Inglorious-Basterds state alts" where I will put all my militia alts - they will serve sitting on buttons and farming lps (in condors and some other shity ships), while rest of the boys will be "suspects" in lowsec IBS.



Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#48 - 2012-05-03 11:54:19 UTC
Johnny Punisher wrote:
If things really go really bad for us (fw corps), we could all just leave fw and do mutual wardecs against each other until things get better Pirate

At the moment I don't have that much time to play eve so I'd have to leave defending of my assets to others. Or fix my sec status and move stuff to highsec. Don't like it... Tho I don't think it's as bad as some ppl here have been theorizing. FW have strong corps, we'll adapt.



to some level ... dont like the **** of nullbears on my lawn ....


.... get of my lawn maggots
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-05-03 12:14:58 UTC
Low sec has several stations that belong to different empires, I've seen Anmar stations in Gallente space and the same for others why would a Anmar station deny Anmar or Caldari Millitia?

and will Caldari stations turn Gallente when captured and the other way arround?

mental maverick
Percussive Diplomacy
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
#50 - 2012-05-03 12:20:37 UTC
Dirk Smacker wrote:
mental maverick wrote:


Ok, so those bolded parts there means I don't have to be in FW to reap the benefits of occupancy?

So can someone tell me again the reason for staying in the Militia as opposed to leaving and setting our standings/war deccing manually and act as true privateers? Just put a bunch of plexing alts in a separate corp, join militia and stick them in cloaky t1 frigs to capture plexes and fight with impunity on our "neutral" mains. I'd rather take the chance of fighting the occational fight under gate guns as opposed to not being able to dock tbh. Plus, no gateguns in plexes...

Don't forget to have an alt in the enemy militia to anchor your safespot/booster POS's so the enemy will take a big faction hit if they destroy it.

Just like your corp does now. Big smile

I honestly have no idea what your talking about, I don't own any pos and I don't use any poses, corp or other. Doesn't sound like a bad idea though if you need to have a pos I guess.

I also don't see how that is pertinent to the point I was trying to make.
JaneBudden
Spiritus Draconis
#51 - 2012-05-03 13:03:52 UTC
all the complaining even before its tested ... we will see how it will work out.

I really like the non docking thing,i also hoped that i would just affect the fw stations but we will see: at least we have a reason to capture systems now
and for the alt problem:now we have tons of alts doing fw missions, soon we will have alts for plexing, i dont see a change here :-)
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#52 - 2012-05-03 13:11:30 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
I hope you do commit to actually showing up to flip Nisuwa, Heyd and every other base the Gallente use but I'll believe it when I see it.



Why do you think people will start throwing ships at your blobs? People in null sec aren't even doing that and they have much bigger stakes to fight for.


Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#53 - 2012-05-03 13:16:49 UTC
Mutnin wrote:

...I had a second thought on the plex war front and even with the Gallentte blobs, I think Caldari can actually control the fight at this point due to how fast systems can be flipped under the current plex mechanics....


They made it take much longer to flip systems.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
#54 - 2012-05-03 13:33:01 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
I hope you do commit to actually showing up to flip Nisuwa, Heyd and every other base the Gallente use but I'll believe it when I see it.



Why do you think people will start throwing ships at your blobs? People in null sec aren't even doing that and they have much bigger stakes to fight for.




Read my post again, then maybe again....

Notice the "I'll believe it when I see it" yet? Blink - I don't believe the squids have the... will / ability / leadership / fcs / balls [delete as appropriate] to come and directly challenge the Gallente.

Sure they currently sneak about in cloaky ecm burst stabbed nanofagships capping plexes while most Gallente are out looking for proper fights, but if and when they actually challenge Gallente we'll steamroller them in fights (and plexes if needs be) unless they get some influx of new blood in the form of.... fcs / leadership / will / ability / balls.
I for one really hope this happens with these changes as it would spice things up a bit and it well might since FW will maybe appeal to more different people,

Null sec has nothing to do with this, but if you'd ever visited Null you'd know what a blob really is.... FW hasn't had a proper 'blob' since the early days and people crying about blobs really need to get some perspective.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#55 - 2012-05-03 13:33:30 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Mutnin wrote:

...I had a second thought on the plex war front and even with the Gallentte blobs, I think Caldari can actually control the fight at this point due to how fast systems can be flipped under the current plex mechanics....


They made it take much longer to flip systems.



how much longer? Any idea?
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#56 - 2012-05-03 13:39:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
I hope you do commit to actually showing up to flip Nisuwa, Heyd and every other base the Gallente use but I'll believe it when I see it.



Why do you think people will start throwing ships at your blobs? People in null sec aren't even doing that and they have much bigger stakes to fight for.




Read my post again, then maybe again....

Notice the "I'll believe it when I see it" yet? Blink - I don't believe the squids have the... will / ability / leadership / fcs / balls [delete as appropriate] to come and directly challenge the Gallente.

Sure they currently sneak about in cloaky ecm burst stabbed nanofagships capping plexes while most Gallente are out looking for proper fights, but if and when they actually challenge Gallente we'll steamroller them in fights (and plexes if needs be) unless they get some influx of new blood in the form of.... fcs / leadership / will / ability / balls.
I for one really hope this happens with these changes as it would spice things up a bit and it well might since FW will maybe appeal to more different people,

Null sec has nothing to do with this, but if you'd ever visited Null you'd know what a blob really is.... FW hasn't had a proper 'blob' since the early days and people crying about blobs really need to get some perspective.


Oh yeah ... please more old bullshit ....

we like u victor "the great blob" abyss ....

balls and brain are two organ which has to work together .... If i get outnumbered 3 to 1 with same or worse quality level .... even the mighty galente are not fighting btw.

actually yesterday ur boys run imediately i pull out 5 drakes and warped them on good spot (nice 15 man cruiser hac falcon fleet bailed). Since we were in frigs and cruisers lot of chestbeating was around.

btw it is war ... so yeah i will flip system under ur but in a moment u will be offline and u will do the same. Diference is I will not mock it into some "honor" bullshit.
Meditril
Lummerland GmbH
#57 - 2012-05-03 13:45:30 UTC
I think the docking denial is a good idea since it adds some consequences for not defending a place. I am pretty sure I will regret this once my own station is taken and I am affected, but it definatelly will motivate me and others to avoid or resolve this issue once happened.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#58 - 2012-05-03 13:47:39 UTC
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
I hope you do commit to actually showing up to flip Nisuwa, Heyd and every other base the Gallente use but I'll believe it when I see it.



Why do you think people will start throwing ships at your blobs? People in null sec aren't even doing that and they have much bigger stakes to fight for.




Read my post again, then maybe again....

Notice the "I'll believe it when I see it" yet? Blink - I don't believe the squids have the... will / ability / leadership / fcs / balls [delete as appropriate] to come and directly challenge the Gallente..



You forgot "numbers" in the list of things caldari lacks.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#59 - 2012-05-03 13:48:01 UTC
Meditril wrote:
I think the docking denial is a good idea since it adds some consequences for not defending a place. I am pretty sure I will regret this once my own station is taken and I am affected, but it definatelly will motivate me and others to avoid or resolve this issue once happened.



well my point is that they should introduce it all together with other features .... and properly tested .... otherwise they will make low sec null wasteland ....

BTW is anybody here who remembers lowsec before fw .... that was bad ... very very bad .... so now imagine it again
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#60 - 2012-05-03 13:50:03 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
Cearain wrote:
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
I hope you do commit to actually showing up to flip Nisuwa, Heyd and every other base the Gallente use but I'll believe it when I see it.



Why do you think people will start throwing ships at your blobs? People in null sec aren't even doing that and they have much bigger stakes to fight for.




Read my post again, then maybe again....

Notice the "I'll believe it when I see it" yet? Blink - I don't believe the squids have the... will / ability / leadership / fcs / balls [delete as appropriate] to come and directly challenge the Gallente..



You forgot "numbers" in the list of things caldari lacks.



It is not about the size of the dog in the fight, It is about the size of the fight in the dog .....

.... we lack numbers we compensate it by sneaky techniques .... ECM bursts etc. ... funny how he is buthurt they did not catch my SBing, stabbed, cloaky, ECM burst scorpion ..... ;)