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Only had one day of use with the new probe interface and have the same complaints about D-Scan color etc that are pretty well documented already. The one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the columns order in the signature list is no longer customizable. I've always had mine ordered Distance, ID, Group, Name, Signal. Now their defaulted to Distance, ID, Name, Group, Signal with no way of changing it that I was able to find. Would really like that functionality to be carried over to the new interface.

Sorry for skipping 11 pages without reading (only this time, I nearly promise)...

Any case. Only reason I open one line from probes is to see expiration time and probe radius, so could we show summary on the probes header line?

Mockups: http://imgur.com/a/8vLXG

any chance we could have drag and drop BM (for celestials, anomalies and 100% scanned sigs) from the map to people and places at some point? i keep catching myself trying to do it on my screen setup

My only really big gripe is probes getting "stuck" under other icons and objects, making controlling them and positioning take several times longer to get going since the map wants to show you EVERYTHING UNDER YOUR MOUSE or that damn radial wheel wont stop popping up rather than allow you to move the probes. Maybe a toggle to keep other icons from reacting to the mouse's presence or mouse clicks so that only probes react to mouse commands would be awesome.

Also (and the rest of this is mostly pet peeves), the probe list seems to love to misbehave and changes the position of it's bottom border quite a bit when I'm not looking. Every time I've docked up and undocked, the bottom has inched it's way closer and closer to the top of the box. Can you guys talk to the probe list box and tell it that if it doesn't stop moving on its own and stay where I put it, I'm not getting it anymore ice cream? Curse my OCD, this really shouldn't bother me, but alas it does.

Finally, I have to agree with the sentiment that changing the colored bar for signatures from a solid background to a mere thin line underlining the sig/anom does make it rather difficult to make out which is which sometimes and seems counterproductive in being a visual aid. That, and moving the edges of the column headers seem to get stuck sometimes. Can't place my finger on what caused it, but I couldn't at one point last night move one of them until I unpinned the window and changed the window size. Very odd.

PS, I admittedly feel kind of bad that many others are having such a hard time with this. I don't scan all that much except on occasion to run a site or two, so many of the issues or bugs in this are for me reasonable or avoidable all together where as they seem like a nightmare for others. Hope things get better for you guys.

I love the new changes in general, but there's a few issues that needs looking at before it can be fully released:

HUD overlap the map controls with the map in fullscreen and HUD aligned up.
The probe icons (and celestials in general) block big parts of the probe controls.
The resizing bubbles has less margin for error, making it very easy to miss.
There doesn't seem to be a way to filter out Cosmic Anomalies from the results.
The Use Active Overview checkbox seem to be removed from the direction scanner.
The D-scan cone on the map is not accurate depending on zoom.

It'd also be nice to be able to filter anomalies (only show FW complexes, besiged sites, combat anomalies, etc).

Keep up the great work!

The new scan window seems to be causing my overview to lock up today, will keep trying see if I can narrow it down.

Edit: not sure what is causing it, hadn't had it happen without the scan window up till just a bit ago though. Im now playing with the new scanning options disabled and haven't had it lock up yet, still testing. =/

Would love to also hear what you think about my previous feedback,

1) Option to remap new default filter hotkeys

2) Checkboxes for new default filters, Anoms and structures would be the most use, I believe.

3) the hotkeys should NOT function when I'm typing into a chatbox or textbox, no matter where my mouse is, like every other hotkey works now.


3) Removing the word Cosmic from sigs and anoms.
4) Option to disabling the star background.

Right? They will tell you they have have science saying that it's better that way, No matter how many times there customers tell them otherwise.

I can assure you plenty of "professional" scanners as you refer to us have tested on SISI and passed the reports on. I will say there has been a fantastic level of engagement from CCP here, and I have a real belief that this will lead to this change ending up as a real improvement.

Still a few points to address, ie thin line in scan window, much less clear than highlighted sig. It is much more problematic to drag the probe square, getting the right focus, is often trial and error, doable but kludgy. and scans that would previously result in a split result, either give a dotted ring now, or if the split result, neither dot is actually the sig any more, just somewhere in the region, requiring another scannpass at the least. On the old system a split could be resolved quite simply, as the furthest dot was generally the correct one, and even if not, when choosing the correct one, it was in exactly the right position for resolution to 100%. I did not see this difference so strongly on sisi testing, so that may be due to brain in the box not applying skills properly? So many issues overall at the moment in wormholes that have been bug reported, it is hard to know.

A short way to go, and then the new tool will be worth using, but back to the old scanner for now.

I think it is important to remember where we started with scanning. Once upon a time scanning was a skilled profession in eve. You could make decent bank with exploration and a scanner was always welcome in a fleet. Then ccp made scanning stupidly easy. Exploration became a newbee profession instead of a skilled profession. Everybody and their mother could now scan easily. As a result the exploration market crashed. Data sites are not worth doing and relic sites are only worth doing if you really really like exploration or having nothing better to do isk wise. More problematic, scanning became so easy that an fc could do it on the fly while he was doing everything else in managing his fleet. Thus sniper fleets and other doctrines were severely hurt.

Now although the implementation of the new scanning is currently terrible for a whole variety of reasons, the problems are more fundamental and come from the failure of ccp to think through the proposed changes to the end assuming they are successfully implemented. The very idea of making scanning even easier and more convenient is just wrong headed. All it can lead to is ccp ultimately feeling compelled to refix scanning by implementing gimpy changes such as the proposed nerf to fleet warp or the changes to combat scanning which involve getting an intermediate result first.

My thanks to CCP Goliath and Sasha Sen for pointing this out. With that fixed, I'm back to about 75% as effective at scanning as I used to be. My main remaining problems are the same as have been called out several times:

- It's too hard to click the edge of the blue bubble to resize it.
- It's still too hard to click and move the cube, too easy to click on something else nearby.
- The thin coloured lines aren't as clear as the thick lines were. It's ambiguous if they mean the signal above or below them, especially when there are lots of hits.
- The new interface still feels more cluttered and confusing than the old one.

All that said, it's getting better. I too appreciate the dev team's engagement.

Regards,

-- C