EVE General Discussion

Harry is dissatisfied with the game. Let's change it, quick, before he leaves.

So, you really don't have any idea what you are talking about then?

You want high sec profits to be buffed up to 50 mil an hour on the top end, when they are already double that.
You want to be able to make at least 30 mil an hour in high sec, when a mission runner only a few months old can already reach that.

I've played EvE for just over a year. I accumulated 20 billion isk in assets while plexing both my accounts. It's yet to have any effect on me in terms of making me take more risks. I've even recently joined an alliance that reimburses my losses and I still undock to shoot at people with the same frequency. I may be more willing to undock a billion isk ship than I was 6 months ago, but that by no means is required for decent day to day pvp. It also has more to do with me having the requisite skills (both as a player and a character) to make use of it than the isk to replace it.

I PvP as "little" as I do because :effort:. I didn't sign up to an MMO to run around alone with my pants down, but any time you try to organize multiple people it can feel like work. I'm not up for that on a daily basis when I come home from a management position. Undocking to make isk and chatting on coms has nothing to do with my fear of losing a ship or a need to make isk.

If there's one thing that would get me to shoot people more, particularly as a new player, it would perhaps be more opportunities for small scale pvp in high sec without having to join RvB or Faction Warfare. Making a 50 jump suicide run solo/with a couple of mates from high to null has never sounded too exciting to me. Especially considering the likelihood of just dying to a blob/gate camp. Or better yet, finding nothing and self destructing home, because I can make more money than the ship and pod are worth in the time the trip back will take. And who would I run into out there anyway, if everyone was making their ISK in High Sec? At least when I rat in Null sec I welcome people coming into the system, because I get to reship and shoot at them.

No Harry, spoon feeding high sec residents more income is not the solution.

If you want to talk about how isk-making forces players away from PvP, that is not untrue. But it does this by encouraging a new player to train into a meta-fitted battleship with poor support skills, where a PvP-focused character would be training to fly frigates and cruisers really well. It's because it requires you to fit the farming ship very differently to how a pvp ship is fitted, requiring again different training. Because a newbie in an EWAR cruiser is very useful to a PvP gang, but training for it does nothing for his isk-making potential. Likewise his meta gun battleship that he is training up the skills for is useless to a roaming cruiser gang, even if he can afford to replace it on a daily basis.

Perhaps the idea has some merit in terms of buffing income potential of a T1 cruiser hull in high sec PvE, so as to not force a PvP focused character to sacrifice his income or pigeon hole him into low sec/Faction Warfare.

i don't think its the risk, there is no risk if you have enough money, the problem is not enough people have enough money so they can PvP with reduced risk, the majority is not doing PvP because you don't find it... if you want to shoot stuff you do PvE because the rats are there and you can kill 100 an hour, but you are not able to kill 100 players and hour, the average is only able to kill one per hour or even less, thats the drawback of PvP... if you got shot down you have to spend too much time to refit ships and all that ****

all just make fun about the carebears however, they are the once who play and shoot stuff in their missions, the others out there, they just play cat and mouse, for most people PvP is just too boring because you are not able to get enough kills, not even if you are a pro, thats the main reason many just refuse to do it

and it does not get more, because the hurdle to get pvp ships is too high and you loose them too fast, and when you loose them it takes too much time to get a new one and go out ther again... its no fun like that... shooting rats is more fun even for the nullsec people, they don't do PvP a lot either, 1-2 kills on average per day max, most just kill rats like the highbears...

see... more shiny ship = lower risk is true for pve.
it is not true for pvp, especially solo.
untill youre doing something borring like gate camping, easy targets just wont fight you, and the common attempt to compensate skills with isk usually results in hillarious killmails (and proably plenty of carebeares that never leavw highsec again).

Yeah, look at how many people flocked to nullsec when they came out with incursions.

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(I didn't read the whole t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ thread so sorry if this was mentioned.)

they did not go to nullsec, because running incursions is way more fun vs. PvP

runnin incursions you can shoot many ships, going to null doing PvP is like searching for targets

incursions are not easy either, the ISK to buy PvP ships needs to be easier, for new players, you can not run incursions early

no man, the jita example was just to show you that people like to duel there, because they like the risk

in VFK however, there is nothing going on vs. Jita... there is much more PvP going on in Jita vs. VFK

I'm not talking about ganking, nullsec people go ganking highsecers just because they don't find PvP in nullsec either, and they are the once who don't like risk, thats why they gank miners, buts thats another topic

The topic IS you Harry, You are upset because you are **** at EVE and **** at PvP. You want the game to change rather than learn.
Well it won't.
Either learn to play or **** off.

(And yes, for the third time you'll block me, yet others will still see my posts, which is pretty much the point, and you'll still inevitably unblock me and start replying again)

the only one pissed about something is you, maybe you don't like the fact that Jita got way more PvP vs. VFK... therefore your agument that the highsec players don't like risk does not count, jita got 10 times more PvP then VFK, guess why

the real carebears are out there in nullsec, trust me that... highsec people just play the game, while nullsec talks about them all the time, why? because they are missing something out there

yea maybe, like some suggested, cheaper access to ships might should be done over the minerals