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The game needs more isk being taken out of the system. Too much isk is flowing in, too little is pulled out. The players have said so for years, and the devs acknowledged that when they introduced the broker/tax increase stating "the game needs more sinks".

When you look at places where you could take more money out of the system, manufacturing costs jump out at you as an obvious choice because they are so low. And since this expansion is dealing directly with manufacturing, it's the perfect time to do that.

It's irrelevant what isk is taken out after that item is built such as a higher broker fees because that's a separate line item, and there's no law stating a manufactured item has to go on the market after it's built so those increased fees may never be applied.

You're talking about the Orca changes that are so awful, all of the affordable Orcas have been sold out and the market price in The Forge is now around 1.5 billion, right?

Yeah, if CCP doesn't recognize how horrible and unpopular those changes are, they're going to lose players in DROVES.

So, let me get this straight:

Right now, my single large tower can build all T1 subcaps, ammo, modules, components, and drones as well as some reasearch. To get the exact same functionality, I'd need to get at LEAST 3 Engineering Complexes that cost far more to run and have triple the startup cost EACH.

Sorry,I'll stick with the POS until the day its removed from the game.

The blog said ECs would use the same asset safety mechanics as Citadels.

Those asset safety mechanics do not exist in WHs. That would be a big enough exception that it would have received special mention, I think.

So, no, probably not.

Rorquals will require the Large engineering complex to dock is that correct similiar to the fortizar citadel requirement?

Here's a serious question I have for the "small scale industrialist":

Why did you choose this path?
Why do you want to remain on it?

My feeling is that you are a product of a broken game mechanic that is now being fixed. Lets follow the logic here.

I want to mass produce stuff for the market, because i like making things and it's profitable.
I want to maximize my profits, therefore I need to put up my own tower.
I need to put up my own tower. Corp roles and security suck, therefore i need my own corp to get the roles for using it and control access to ensure my safety.
I'm in my own corp with just my alts, therefore I am a small scale solo industrialist.

Does that sound about right?

These statements are currently TRUE. Once poses are removed, all but the first one will be false. You are back to step one of figuring out what the most profitable arrangement will be for your particular operation. Remaining a solo industrialist will not be a foregone conclusion.

So why are you drawing conclusions based on FALSE statements like
"I need my personal corp to control access to the facility so my stuff doesn't get stolen"
"I need my own building facility, so i need to pay to fuel it, so I need x production volume to cover MY fuel cost"
"I need my own building facility, therefore I need to be able to defend it"

Why do you not want to play a multiplayer game with others, now that you will finally be able to?



Wormhole production is a special snowflake. If you are only supplying your own small corp with ships, you have nowhere near the volume to justify the fuel cost of a tower in the first place. You are a byproduct of needing a tower to live in, and having ample fitting space for industry infrastructure. If you do have the volume, you're probably mass exporting your products to an external market. In that case, you can easily afford to put up facilities and/or already make the trips to bring in BPC's for production.

If you're just building stuff in wormholes part time because you can, there's good news for you. You can install the appropriate module, even temporarily, in your existing combat citadel and use it without the rig bonuses. You can also offline the module to save fuel costs when nothing is in production. You won't be as efficient as someone with a more extensive setup, but you never have been before either.

Nailed it - people who like to have things just for the sake of having them (apparently this is a thing), aside.

I'm quite certain I will remain a small-scale solo industrialist in the sense that my corp, my jobs, and my wallet - all of the inputs and outputs - will continue to be my own.

I don't know, yet, what infrastructure I'll be using to run my operation. I imagine for the time being I'll continue in a POS as I see no huge benefit to early adoption, in my case. From there, I could see a mix of possibilities, depending on how a number of variables shake out.

I've loosely considered:
-Running my own structure or structures.
-Joining an alliance or other larger organization.
-Using NPC facilities.
-Using public ECs.
-Attempting to form a small, informal "co-op" for structure sharing in adjacent systems with other small/solo industrialists I know.

There are some aspects of the current plan that I think could definitely do with some tweaks, but I can't say the sky is falling.

HI all
Our corp has a small Faction POS that runs on 8 Fuels blocks/hour.
It does invention, ME, TE, and manufacturing of Teck II modules.

With this new system, 60 blocks/hr will be needed to do the same thing. Is that right?

If so.. it's not helping the small corps with reducing costs.

I would sure like to see an example of a small setup and what it would cost to run per hour.

Thanks

ccp is using these to "reward" large groups by locking gameplay like this away from smaller/newer ones

I don't know that I would call it arbitrary, really. Supercap docking is otherwise limited to the vastly more expensive Keepstar. The hull cost of a Sotiyo is only a bit more than an SC and well less than a titan, so I can kind of see the point, there. If all you wanted was a place to dock supers, a naked sotiyo hull is cheap enough, when you're talking about super-class assets, that it would be a pretty phenomenal value.