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Dev blog: Skill trading in New Eden

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Annia Aurel
J-CORP
Goonswarm Federation
#201 - 2016-01-18 18:38:04 UTC
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One last thing here: we are making some big improvements to the UI for allocating skillpoints but I don’t have a screenshot of that for you just yet.


Many people want to clean up their skill sheets via this method. Disclaimer: I am one of them.
So, if skillpoints are reduced to zero for any given skill, will there be an option in this great new UI to


  • extract the skillbook (yay!)
  • OR 'forget' the skill itself (still ok)
  • OR are we left with a husk of level zero skills (meh)


The last option would be worst imho as it also would prevent unlearning any further requisite skill(point)s.

TLDR: CCP, please allow us to extract or forget any skills at level 0.
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
#202 - 2016-01-18 18:41:19 UTC
How many million Aur will the tear, err I mean Skill Extractor cost?

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The Slayer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#203 - 2016-01-18 18:41:34 UTC
Today I learned there are a bunch of OCD/Autistic EVE players who need "clean" skillsheets for some reason.
A Ingus
Purveyors of Uber Research Valuables and Ships
#204 - 2016-01-18 18:44:19 UTC
Stupidity reigns.

True, nothing lasts forever.

Thanks for all the fish.

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#205 - 2016-01-18 18:44:20 UTC
I feel like the only thing that's not yet for sale in this game is the player....his time and money is clearly not a problem.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Adroc Legoose
Mercury Arms Inc.
#206 - 2016-01-18 18:44:32 UTC
Could they at least limit this in the same way skill remaps are currently? start with 2 available skill inject uses. Gain one a year, after that. Otherwise, your character's cranium explodes.

Buying all the T1 laser crystals for monument tickling now.
Jon Hellguard
X-COM
#207 - 2016-01-18 18:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jon Hellguard
Oh CCP, how many brenivin's did that take you?

RIP "skilltraining completed"-feelings.
Deornoth Drake
Vandeo
#208 - 2016-01-18 18:47:00 UTC
Please add a skill transformator as well.

It frees skill points of a certain skill at the same speed at which you would gain points.
Annia Aurel
J-CORP
Goonswarm Federation
#209 - 2016-01-18 18:48:15 UTC
CCP Cognac wrote:

As of now there are no plans to remove skill books when extraction takes you to 0.

This will mean that we will need to do some changes to skill training which will hopefully also allow you to inject skill books you don't have the prereqs instead of having to haul them around waiting for that prereq to finish(no promises this will be available on realease).


This is the opposite of what many people have been asking.

Save yourself the extra work on 'changes to skill training' and simply allow people to discard skills at zero.

Why not give us that option?!
Adroc Legoose
Mercury Arms Inc.
#210 - 2016-01-18 18:50:13 UTC
Jon Hellguard wrote:
Oh CCP, how many brenivin's did that take you?

RIP "skilltraining completed"-feelings.


Those dings will be some much less meaningful now that daddy's credit card can make someone else's dings sound like an alarm going off. ;-;
Vabanaz Arjar
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#211 - 2016-01-18 18:51:06 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
I feel like the only thing that's not yet for sale in this game is the player....his time and money is clearly not a problem.


With all the datamining they already do it's just a matter of time until they start selling their playerbase, too.

who pulls the strings?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#212 - 2016-01-18 18:51:33 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
CCP, when do you plan to ban character selling?

I presume character name change service is not talked about anywhere, because we all know why?


Never character selling costs plex and so gives them money


But isnt this new system planned to generate more moniez?

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MR Spleen
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#213 - 2016-01-18 18:52:36 UTC  |  Edited by: MR Spleen
So I'm sure there was a dev that said at fanfest they weren't bringing in pay to win a few years ago well I think he lied!

It is now possible for people to buy isk legally by purchasing plex's with RL money which can be sold for isk and will now be able to purchase skill points as well as ships using real money.

If this isn't pay to win then I'm not sure what is.

Oh and I see the higher sp players also get screwed over again ispite possibly many years of loyal game play and large amounts of rl money handed over to ccp.

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Ben Ishikela
#214 - 2016-01-18 18:54:41 UTC
Was about time that the already existing "black-market" of SP gets legal and fair.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#215 - 2016-01-18 18:54:48 UTC
On the entire "cash out unwanted SP, or SP on a training alt"
The process would be:
Use ISK to buy PLEX.
Break up PLEX into AUR.
Use AUR to buy Skill extractors.
Extract the SP, making Skill injectors.
Sell the Skill injectors for ISK.

The question being: Will you end up with more ISK than you had to begin with?
My guess is Yes. If not, very few will do this process. Why do it if you will not make ISK? The only reason is if you have unused AUR laying about.

So, if very few are making Skill injectors, their price will rise until its reasonably profitable to make them. Which means it will be reasonably profitable to make them.

It's the same way with the current character bazaar. Its more profitable to use all the PLEX needed to sell and transfer a character than the base value of the PLEX.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#216 - 2016-01-18 18:55:01 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
CCP, when do you plan to ban character selling?

I presume character name change service is not talked about anywhere, because we all know why?


Never character selling costs plex and so gives them money


But isnt this new system planned to generate more moniez?


Yes but now they can get it from both


Also the bazaar is needed to lower the number of iunregulated sails

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#217 - 2016-01-18 18:55:21 UTC
Annia Aurel wrote:
CCP Cognac wrote:

As of now there are no plans to remove skill books when extraction takes you to 0.

This will mean that we will need to do some changes to skill training which will hopefully also allow you to inject skill books you don't have the prereqs instead of having to haul them around waiting for that prereq to finish(no promises this will be available on realease).


This is the opposite of what many people have been asking.

Save yourself the extra work on 'changes to skill training' and simply allow people to discard skills at zero.

Why not give us that option?!

Maybe because you paid for them.
If they would do that, people would rage that they are being ripped off of ISK, or even better, they would rage and demand recompensation.

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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#218 - 2016-01-18 18:58:16 UTC
MR Spleen wrote:
So I'm sure there was a dev that said at fanfest they weren't bringing in pay to win a few years ago well I think he lied!

It is now possible for people to buy isk legally by purchasing plex's with RL money which can be sold for isk and will now be able to purchase skill points as well as ships using real money.

If this isn't pay to win then I'm not sure what is.

Oh and I see the higher sp players also get screwed over again ispite possibly many years of loyal game play and large amounts of rl money handed over to ccp.

You could already buy anything in Eve with RL money, thanks to selling PLEX on the open market, so I fail to see the problem here.

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Alexxei
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#219 - 2016-01-18 18:59:42 UTC
The Slayer wrote:
Today I learned there are a bunch of OCD/Autistic EVE players who need "clean" skillsheets for some reason.

confirmed
Annia Aurel
J-CORP
Goonswarm Federation
#220 - 2016-01-18 19:00:40 UTC
Renfus wrote:

All we need are skillpoint remaps..
maybe available every 2 years +- or purchase from CCP..


+1

The dream case would be, at the cost of, say, 2 PLEX, all skillbooks get ejected to hangar, and all skillpoints go to unallocated. End of story.