EVE General Discussion

Uh huh.

Righto, and done.

But don't forget that moa is dismantling us from ~Fortress 5Z~

That's why I said that Fweddit was going to end up having to take leadership in these times of Factional Sov

Ive come around to agreeing the Entosis module needs changing. Simplest solution is hard ship class restrictions, second are PG/ CPU/skill restrictions, third and most complicated is a new Entosis specific range of ships, fourth an aggregate of all the above where the efficacy of the link is dependant with all the above.

Parallel changes would be requiring more (numerous and/or efficient) links as a threshold to surpass equivalence to the defence index.

I dont think the interceptor ship class was ever designed or intended for this purpose, with its specific peculiarities. Its arguable whether this is now as intended, because its expected CCP was readily informed by the community beforehand this would happen, but went ahead with it anyways.

One of the stated goals, was making it possible for just about anyone to conflict sov.
Inline with this, it means a single player can now challenge sov. Though the intent is interesting, in practice I think its a bit unfair and lowers the bar too far in terms of commitment. It enables any single independant player too far considering how many people that disables in the system in question. The "trolling" aspect comes into effect here, when one player can disrupt the equilibrium of a larger group, with little to no risk to himself. (Which concretely represents what trolling is in any community).

I dont think 1 ship should be enough to do this, unless as in option 3, its a specific Entosis ship class, or as in options 1-2 the ship class is reasonably vulnerable in its invasion attempt.
Especially not in a single class of ship which really already has other design specific functions (interceptor) and is effectively immune to reprisal.

The core irony here being that its exactly the interceptor class itself which should be ideal for engaging an Entosing aggressor, rather than vice versa as is now the case. Enganging and tackling an aggressor is what an interceptor does. Its a paradox that an interceptor is in and of itself now effectively un-interceptable as an entosis link.

Ideally, Id like to see a range of Entosis specific class ships, which then form the foothold and "flag carriers" of an invasion attempt, with all the peculiar, diverse and specific ship traits for each race alongside that. This ofc is time consuming, expensive and rife with balance issues. So CCP, expediently, instead went with a generalisation of the module. But this has resulted, as I tried to outline above, in a perversion and abberation of the interceptor classes existing capacity and function (whether intended or not).

See what I mean?

Opinions, bias, enlightened self-interest aside, it just doesnt make sense on an objective level, that a ship class designed for intercepting can now utilise those same capacities to be uninterceptable (except as to force it off), while doing something (Entosing) that has nothing to do with its intercepting impetus

Tears, right?

A forum alt of some major nullsec alliance

Well it seems like ceptors were designed to be the go-to, all-terrain pvp platform for a post-fatigue environment.

High warp speed, interdiction nullification, high-speed etc.

Yes. And those were all fine (arguably).

But not in terms of being an Entosis link carrier themselves.

"An interceptor aircraft, or simply interceptor, is a type of fighter aircraft designed specifically to prevent successful missions by enemy aircraft, particularly bombers and reconnaissance aircraft. "
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interceptor_aircraft

The irony, and paradox, is there.
Interceptors are, by definition and build, intended to PREVENT an active Entosis link ship (ie: "successful mission by enemy aircraft") not to be an uninterceptable carrier of the link itself.

If you read the descripition, intercepters are by defaultand definition a defensive rapid reaction entity. They are designed to scramble quickly to secure local space, by means and purpose of intercepting an aggressor enroute to its objective.

Referring to a wiki link and established definition may see semantic, but its also poignant considering what Intercepters did before this change. Using them as an uninterceptable entosis carrier, defeats the purpose of both the new system and the intercepter design.

Did I not make that clear in meticulous and specific detail above, or should I really have to c&p what Ive already said allmover again?

You completely missed my entire goddam point.

You wanted a recall of our experiences since Aegis Sov?

Since Aegis Sov, noone comes through our WH anymore.
We have to roam through nullsec to find anyone.
Just found the same old alliances that have always been there.

That is eve online for us now.

Well you know, after Wormhole Gate ehhh