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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#961 - 2015-07-29 16:51:55 UTC
Low expectations is what I love in a customer!
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#962 - 2015-07-29 18:17:04 UTC
Removed some Off topic and Rule 4 offenders.
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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#963 - 2015-07-29 21:33:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Harrison Tato wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Coding for people like you may be difficult but for me


You mean for you, who keeps talking about how easy you think something is without having a clue what you're talking about?

Oh, and now in addition to being a bar bouncer who rides a girl's motorcycle, and who is also a paralegal on the side, now you have invented a bunch of coding chops too? This is new. Are you going to be a marine biologist next?

What you are is a liar, and a fool.



I am more interested in what you consider a girl's motorcycle!

Apparantly thinks these are girls bikes 😏

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#964 - 2015-07-29 21:48:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Coding for people like you may be difficult but for me


You mean for you, who keeps talking about how easy you think something is without having a clue what you're talking about?

Oh, and now in addition to being a bar bouncer who rides a girl's motorcycle, and who is also a paralegal on the side, now you have invented a bunch of coding chops too? This is new. Are you going to be a marine biologist next?

What you are is a liar, and a fool.



I am more interested in what you consider a girl's motorcycle!

Apparantly thinks these are girls bikes 😏


That's not what you were in that picture with.

If that was even you.

Which it wasn't.

Because liar.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#965 - 2015-07-29 22:20:58 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:

That's not what you were in that picture with.

If that was even you.

Which it wasn't.

Because liar.


Yep, his story just keeps on changing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#966 - 2015-07-29 22:25:47 UTC
Care?
Stop feeding their need for attention and get back on topic, please.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Marsha Mallow
#967 - 2015-07-29 22:35:26 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Care?
Stop feeding their need for attention and get back on topic, please.

With all due respect, NO. To both points.

Infinity Ziona wrote:
Apparantly thinks these are girls bikes 😏

Are you trying to say something about girls here?

Sorry but I think I'm going to have to demand some credentials at this point. (We can totally do a thread all about you again btw, anytime).

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#968 - 2015-07-29 22:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Freya Sertan wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Coding for people like you may be difficult but for me


You mean for you, who keeps talking about how easy you think something is without having a clue what you're talking about?

Oh, and now in addition to being a bar bouncer who rides a girl's motorcycle, and who is also a paralegal on the side, now you have invented a bunch of coding chops too? This is new. Are you going to be a marine biologist next?

What you are is a liar, and a fool.



I am more interested in what you consider a girl's motorcycle!

Apparantly thinks these are girls bikes 😏


That's not what you were in that picture with.

If that was even you.

Which it wasn't.

Because liar.

It's a Harley Nighrod Special which is exactly what I was on. Lol. But I digress, stop derailing thread.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#969 - 2015-07-29 23:05:08 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
But I digress


Yes, and frequently at that.



Quote:
stop derailing thread.


Okay. Walking in Stations is an inherently bad thing that is 100% not redeemable as a feature for this game. The Captains Quarters should be removed completely to save on the game's download size.

As the insertion of Walking in Stations into EVE Online almost killed the game, I submit that all of it's current proponents hate this game and are trying to engineer the death of EVE Online.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#970 - 2015-07-29 23:10:57 UTC
Desslok VonReich
Acadia Investment Group
#971 - 2015-07-30 02:46:33 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why do we need stars, planet, moons, little asteroids in belts, gate effects, explosions, lasers. We could do all the same stuff with just a blank background, square boxes for ships and the overview.

The point is that it's fun to have stuff looking cool, and to walk through the station with capsuleers playing games, visiting markets and having meetings would be far more visually exciting than just clicking a button. We all know it would primarily be a vanity thing, but what's so bad about that?



All those items listed add to the immersion of EVE. And fit within the context of a capsuleer experience.

WiS does not. A bunch of dudes in a bar playing poker does not.


The capsuleer experience is likely a very alien, uncomfortable, trans-humanistic one. The current EVE, minus the CQ, actually captures that experience well.

But as a true capuleer's trans-humanistic experience is alien and uncomfortable, people naturally want to move away from it and into the more relate-able and comfortable WiS experience.

As WiS cannot truely provide for an accurate immersive experience, I dont think immersion is a good enough reason. Instead what is needed is for WiS to bring the "game" to the table.


I would love to solved the WiS dilemma, and think of that must-have game play that justifies the development cost.
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#972 - 2015-07-30 03:14:19 UTC
Desslok VonReich wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why do we need stars, planet, moons, little asteroids in belts, gate effects, explosions, lasers. We could do all the same stuff with just a blank background, square boxes for ships and the overview.

The point is that it's fun to have stuff looking cool, and to walk through the station with capsuleers playing games, visiting markets and having meetings would be far more visually exciting than just clicking a button. We all know it would primarily be a vanity thing, but what's so bad about that?



All those items listed add to the immersion of EVE. And fit within the context of a capsuleer experience.

WiS does not. A bunch of dudes in a bar playing poker does not.


The capsuleer experience is likely a very alien, uncomfortable, trans-humanistic one. The current EVE, minus the CQ, actually captures that experience well.

But as a true capuleer's trans-humanistic experience is alien and uncomfortable, people naturally want to move away from it and into the more relate-able and comfortable WiS experience.

As WiS cannot truely provide for an accurate immersive experience, I dont think immersion is a good enough reason. Instead what is needed is for WiS to bring the "game" to the table.


I would love to solved the WiS dilemma, and think of that must-have game play that justifies the development cost.



TL:SR - super-advanced beings who live in bubble of their own poo and pee and sense the world through electronics make terrible card partners.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#973 - 2015-07-30 07:26:16 UTC
Desslok VonReich wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why do we need stars, planet, moons, little asteroids in belts, gate effects, explosions, lasers. We could do all the same stuff with just a blank background, square boxes for ships and the overview.

The point is that it's fun to have stuff looking cool, and to walk through the station with capsuleers playing games, visiting markets and having meetings would be far more visually exciting than just clicking a button. We all know it would primarily be a vanity thing, but what's so bad about that?



All those items listed add to the immersion of EVE. And fit within the context of a capsuleer experience.

WiS does not. A bunch of dudes in a bar playing poker does not.


The capsuleer experience is likely a very alien, uncomfortable, trans-humanistic one. The current EVE, minus the CQ, actually captures that experience well.

But as a true capuleer's trans-humanistic experience is alien and uncomfortable, people naturally want to move away from it and into the more relate-able and comfortable WiS experience.

As WiS cannot truely provide for an accurate immersive experience, I dont think immersion is a good enough reason. Instead what is needed is for WiS to bring the "game" to the table.


I would love to solved the WiS dilemma, and think of that must-have game play that justifies the development cost.

What you and I think means very little. What matters is whether there is an opportunity for CCP to make money off WIS and more importantly whether someone at CCP is in a position to recognise that and make it happen. If no to any of those then you'll get your wish of stagnation.

MMO history says there's tons of money in it. People flock to avatar based play.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#974 - 2015-07-30 07:51:04 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


MMO history says there's tons of money in it.


EVE history says there isn't. EVE isn't every other MMO on the market, it's something different, so doing stuff for EVE just because it works for every other MMO does not guarantee it will work the same way. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, so I suggest you grasp it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#975 - 2015-07-30 08:00:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


MMO history says there's tons of money in it.


EVE history says there isn't. EVE isn't every other MMO on the market, it's something different, so doing stuff for EVE just because it works for every other MMO does not guarantee it will work the same way. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, so I suggest you grasp it.

EvE history doesn't indicate yay or nay on WIS. The popular myth is the Summer of Nerd-Rage was about WIS but it was not, it was primarily about Greed is Good.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Borascus
#976 - 2015-07-30 08:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


MMO history says there's tons of money in it.


EVE history says there isn't. EVE isn't every other MMO on the market, it's something different, so doing stuff for EVE just because it works for every other MMO does not guarantee it will work the same way. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, so I suggest you grasp it.



The main selling point is that people who seek avatar based gameplay see there is a window of opportunity within the sandbox to diversify content consumption, it should be up to the vets to prize the new influx of avatar-baesd gameplayers from their stations and give them the content they deserve instead of those that see flying around safely in pod goo doing 'not so much' is all that can be achieved in the 'boss was in a deny phase so that entire month of new recruits got bored and left'

At the Nth term the retention of players in EVE is still coupled to the efforts to co-ordinate strangers effectively, thats a community game, not a sandbox. EVE should be both (there is a scale of acceptance we'll all appear on and most are happy if they post on forums).
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#977 - 2015-07-30 08:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Borascus wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


MMO history says there's tons of money in it.


EVE history says there isn't. EVE isn't every other MMO on the market, it's something different, so doing stuff for EVE just because it works for every other MMO does not guarantee it will work the same way. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, so I suggest you grasp it.



The main selling point is that people who seek avatar based gameplay see there is a window of opportunity within the sandbox to diversify content consumption, it should be up to the vets to prize the new influx of avatar-baesd gameplayers from their stations and give them the content they deserve instead of those that see flying around safely in pod goo doing 'not so much' is all that can be achieved in the 'boss was in a deny phase so that entire month of new recruits got bored and left'

At the Nth term the retention of players in EVE is still coupled to the efforts to co-ordinate strangers effectively, thats a community game, not a sandbox. EVE should be both (there is a scale of acceptance we'll all appear on and most are happy if they post on forums).


In EVE, your ship is your avatar. Once again, you like many others fail to grasp the nature of EVE - in EVE, avatar gameplay is spaceship gameplay. If people don't get that, then EVE is not for them. If we make EVE something else to accommodate them, instead of the people that want spaceship gameplay, then EVE becomes EVE in name only, and what it was and always has been is gone.

WIS was tried. It failed. That really is the bottom line.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#978 - 2015-07-30 08:10:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


MMO history says there's tons of money in it.


EVE history says there isn't. EVE isn't every other MMO on the market, it's something different, so doing stuff for EVE just because it works for every other MMO does not guarantee it will work the same way. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, so I suggest you grasp it.

EvE history doesn't indicate yay or nay on WIS. The popular myth is the Summer of Nerd-Rage was about WIS but it was not, it was primarily about Greed is Good.


IZ, you might be able to lie to yourself, but you can't bullshit me. The Jita monument included protest against developing unnecessary features for EVE at the expense of fixing existing problems as much as it included outrage at the ridiculous attempts to gauge money through a ****** MT system.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#979 - 2015-07-30 08:14:05 UTC
I like 'avatar' gameplay as well, that's why I also play SWTOR when that's what I want. If you want to walk around with a character instead of flying a spaceship, there are other games for you already. EVE doesn't have to be like everything else on the market, it can be it's own thing. I wouldn't be playing it if it wasn't it's own thing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#980 - 2015-07-30 08:20:00 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


MMO history says there's tons of money in it.


EVE history says there isn't. EVE isn't every other MMO on the market, it's something different, so doing stuff for EVE just because it works for every other MMO does not guarantee it will work the same way. This is not a difficult concept to grasp, so I suggest you grasp it.

EvE history doesn't indicate yay or nay on WIS. The popular myth is the Summer of Nerd-Rage was about WIS but it was not, it was primarily about Greed is Good.


IZ, you might be able to lie to yourself, but you can't bullshit me. The Jita monument included protest against developing unnecessary features for EVE at the expense of fixing existing problems as much as it included outrage at the ridiculous attempts to gauge money through a ****** MT system.

It was about Greed is Good. WIS had been announced prior to GiG but did not elicit the response that GiG did. Yes there were those who hijacked the GiG anger to scuttle WIS but the Summer of Nerd-Rage was not about WIS.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)