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High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#401 - 2014-08-29 13:49:46 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.


What you are describing here is what makes EVE .....EVE. With the exception of staying docking, NOTHING is 100% safe. That is the game mechanics that gives EVe it's soul, without that, EVE is just another bit of 1s and 0s like all the rest.

Just like real life, you can lock yourself in your house, a meteor or a tornado can still destroy it and kill you. If you go underground, you can still die in a flood or earth quake. Bottom line, you gonna die lol. Might as well yell "Yolo" and leeroy down the street.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#402 - 2014-08-29 13:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
CCP Falcon wrote:

Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.


You might not be CEO of CCP yet, but you're the CEO of my heart Big smile


Quote:

Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight Smile


But, but, scaremongering and hatred is literally all people like that have. They can't admit that they are ...mentally incompatible with the game they've chosen to play/invest time in so they have to try SOMETHING to get you guys to change the game to fit them. Worst part is that they are totally unaware of the fact that if they do change the game, THEY will be the ones leaving because it wouldn't be the game they fell in love with any more lol.


This is what the "hand-holding" crowd things of CCP Falcon now.

http://i.imgur.com/2LR4mkW.gif
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#403 - 2014-08-29 14:08:03 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense.


Best. Quote. Ever.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#404 - 2014-08-29 14:12:48 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
there is no absolute security in EVE. You consent to PvP each time you undock. Do not fly what you can't afford to lose and consider every ship you undock to already be dead.


Actually I believe ganking in newbie systems is heavily frowned upon and will result in a ban. But outside of those you are correct.
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#405 - 2014-08-29 14:37:15 UTC
Velicitia wrote:

Local Chat:
[WT] -- o_O I have NEVER seen anyone do that (implied [in hisec]) before
me -- yeah, you pick up a few things from time to time. Sorry I didn't make myself a target for you Smile
(continue conversation about random things)


I have gotten a pm once that said something very similar once. It is fun getting that type of response, like you actually taught someone that there are other ways to do 'stuff' in game. Much better then the tears others enjoy so much.
Solecist Project
#406 - 2014-08-29 14:37:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Jenn ...

... that confuses the **** out of me. I was aiming to be a nicer person ...
... seriously ...
... well I am still failing at it ...
... and now I wonder if it's a good idea in the first place.

THANKS JENN! -.-'

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#407 - 2014-08-29 15:01:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
Also, according to zKB, ONE FREIGHTER was suicide ganked yesterday, August 28th. Four were suicide ganked on August 27th. Freighter ganks are still exceptionally rare compared to the massive number of freighters that are constantly motoring around in highsec on any given day. More freighters are blown up by wartargets than in suicide ganks.

Those in this thread upset about their freighters being ganked are just bad players with a victim complex.


There, we fixed it for you :)

http://puu.sh/bcMBU/c419690387.jpg
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#408 - 2014-08-29 15:13:07 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Andski wrote:
Also, according to zKB, ONE FREIGHTER was suicide ganked yesterday, August 28th. Four were suicide ganked on August 27th. Freighter ganks are still exceptionally rare compared to the massive number of freighters that are constantly motoring around in highsec on any given day. More freighters are blown up by wartargets than in suicide ganks.

Those in this thread upset about their freighters being ganked are just bad players with a victim complex.


There, we fixed it for you :)

http://puu.sh/bcMBU/c419690387.jpg
Once again CODE. utters the immortal words "Challenge Accepted"

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Luukje
The Vendetta Mercenaries
Vendetta Mercenary Group
#409 - 2014-08-29 15:21:19 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference.
Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? Ugh
And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives.

This. You can't Dscan while AFK.
Back when I still mined I avoided a couple ganks in my mackinaw due to a healthy dose of paranoia, preparation, and liberal use of the 360 degree dscan. By the time the cats landed on grid all they saw were the receding tail lights of my rocket car.


DScan is pointless in Hi-sec. You know, that placer where the majority of ganking occurs. As Tippia already pointed out, without CONCORD it would be called ganking.

It's a fallacy WRT that it doesn't help stop a gank. I've already listed the reasons why.


Dscan is pointless. lolwhat?! dscan spam on short range spam and you see anything landing before its there; buying you time to get ur miner out... you saying dscan is pointless in high shows how little you know on how to be safe.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#410 - 2014-08-29 15:26:01 UTC
Luukje wrote:
Dscan is pointless. lolwhat?! dscan spam on short range spam and you see anything landing before its there; buying you time to get ur miner out... you saying dscan is pointless in high shows how little you know on how to be safe.
Oh god no, please don't start him off again....

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#411 - 2014-08-29 15:26:59 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Andski wrote:
Also, according to zKB, ONE FREIGHTER was suicide ganked yesterday, August 28th. Four were suicide ganked on August 27th. Freighter ganks are still exceptionally rare compared to the massive number of freighters that are constantly motoring around in highsec on any given day. More freighters are blown up by wartargets than in suicide ganks.

Those in this thread upset about their freighters being ganked are just bad players with a victim complex.

There, we fixed it for you :)

http://puu.sh/bcMBU/c419690387.jpg

Ahhh. Money well spent. Lol
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#412 - 2014-08-29 15:27:27 UTC
LoL... popcorn time.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#413 - 2014-08-29 15:32:34 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
LoL... popcorn time.


Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#414 - 2014-08-29 15:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ned Thomas wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
LoL... popcorn time.


Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point.
Got you covered

fixed image link :derp:

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#415 - 2014-08-29 15:43:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
LoL... popcorn time.


Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point.
Got you covered


I'm on a strict NPH free diet Big smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#416 - 2014-08-29 15:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Ned Thomas wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
LoL... popcorn time.


Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point.
Got you covered


I'm on a strict NPH free diet Big smile
I derped, wrong image Oops... blames 3rd party clipboard utility.

Should have been http://i.imgur.com/0hqn6Nd.png

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#417 - 2014-08-29 16:21:21 UTC
You cannot expect CCP to protect you. Apart from design philosophy, its simply not in their best interest to do so. Destruction creates inflation. Destroying a mineral heavy ship like a freighter especially. Miners are even better. Destroying the cure for inflation (minerals) will increase prices, which will lead to more people buying plex. Cos we all know that more effort is not something everybody likes. People with wallets don't have to.

Also; don't waste your time buying all the stories about AFK ganking. Its just stories. So take some time to consider what it is you want to do and if your current method (a freighter) is really needed. Do all the things you can do to minimize the risk (fittings, webs, route, BM's, a scout etc) and then look at the reward.

In a game where multiple players play the same game, only a portion will play with you. The rest will either ignore you (in this case me for example) or play against you.

E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#418 - 2014-08-29 16:26:13 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.

You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally.

This may be somewhat accurate but not really true. Even when you fit for tank or min/max mining or hauling it doesn’t leave room for guns. Should you even fit guns on your hauler/miner it won’t stop the gank.

Indy doesn’t need the ability to fight back with guns, they need the ability to defend or defend better then what they have at the moment.


A solo hauler can trivially protect himself against a solo ganker with the tools already available.

A hauler needs organized and intelligent help (one character will do in most situations) to protect himself from a large group of gankers.


In other words, the hauler has the advantage in solo encounters and needs far fewer players to have the advantage in group encounters.

Why do haulers need more help?

They don’t need more help they need more options. A hauler should not need 1-3 more people or alts to solo haul. Miners have more options in the form of a skiff. A properly tank fit skiff will normally send would be gankers on to easier targets.

Haulers need the same option to fit tank or cargo. Should they have a survivable tank fit against reasonable gank squad and they chose not to use it then that on them.
Paranoid Loyd
#419 - 2014-08-29 16:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Haulers need the same option to fit tank or cargo. Should they have a survivable tank fit against reasonable gank squad and they chose not to use it then that on them.


Are you really trying to argue it's not like this already? There are many more options for hauling than there are for barges.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#420 - 2014-08-29 16:36:24 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
CCP Falcon wrote:
Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec?

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you.

Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.

Smile




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