EVE General Discussion

What happens when a freighter jumps through a gate and isn't autopiloting? Is it magically invulnerable to a bump and a gank?

If he's smart and using webs, pretty much.

I have seen those freaking things warp sideways with Daredevil webs.

Actually, in this specific case, since it was an alpha gank on a station, scouting and bringing guns (to gank the tornado) would be the best option. (A simple insta-dock bookmark and some tank would probably have worked too, as the ganker mentioned that it took them three tries to catch the OP)

Logi wouldn't be particularly effective.

And Tippia never will.




Point is, AFK or not, Warping after you jump in a system is still the same and gankers don't discriminate.

Scouting is really the only thing that was needed in the case of the OP. The saddest part is that the scouting didn't need to involve alts or other players or anything. A very simple "Warp to 100km" and an understanding of what a Tornado can do would have meant this thread would never happen.

If people want to burn their sec status and money to kill an empty freighter, more power to them. That doesn't indicate a problem with the game, sorry.

This!

Seriously, if you want to learn how to protect yourself from suicide ganks, start ganking.

There's a reason that I've never been ganked successfully, despite fairly often carrying gank-worthy cargoes through both highsec and lowsec. Because I know how to gank, I recognise the early warning signs.

Tippia gets it just fine, you're the one who appears to have problems with it.


I stated how people can tell if a freighter is auto piloting or not.

In fact I said nothing about AFK or discrimination in the post you quoted.

where you get the patience i will never know, o7

I don't see why anyone still pilots Tech I freighters, honestly. Rather than try to move your junk to Jita, just contract it out and offer a discount if the buyer will come and pick it up at the station of your choice. I used to do this with minerals all the time. And for stuff that absolutely, positively has to be sold in Jita...well, that's why you use Red Frog or PushX, as other people have noted. The cost of the service is more than offset by the peace of mind. And if you have cargo (like 50 PLEX's, or something) that is simply too precious to move about...then don't move it, or move it in smaller chunks. Take the long way around, and use several different couriers to move it, and send them all out at different times. The only reason to pilot a freighter in hisec prior to Crius was to move big batches of ore or minerals around, but even that's less of a deal now that compression arrays can be anchored anywhere in hisec. (Though it also means that the inty filled to the gunwales with compressed veld now makes a pretty tasty -- and fragile -- gank target.)

And finally, I factor in the occasional indy gank to the costs of doing business. In the larger scheme of things, it's nothing in terms of bottom-line cost. (Unless you were carrying a cargohold full of PLEX, in which case you learned an expensive lesson you're not likely to forget.) The gankers get their momentary jollies (and a pathetic drop, more often than not); I get the knowledge that their ships will soon be Concordokken; and the great river of Eve commerce will keep flowing.

I don't get the appeal of ganking, honestly. It seems like a lot of work for so-so profit, and the security status loss adds up. (Though anonymous gank alts mediate that problem.) But at the same time I don't get the outrage against it either. It's a hazard easily avoided, and on the rare occasions you do get caught, it's no big deal unless you are being stupid in what you're hauling.