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Darius Clearnight
Exiles of Chaos
Balcora Gatekeepers
#381 - 2014-07-24 04:30:18 UTC
Lovely. Now they said they weren't going to buff the nullsec insanely while nerfing everyone else. They also said they were giving POSes a boost.
Instead whoopie, nullbears get half ******* cost on their jobs! Thanks CCP! wtf!
Instead whoopie, they tore out the bonuses to anchoring extra arrays so people NOT in nullsec have NO ABILITY TO GET ANY ADVANTAGES OR LEGS UP. Thanks assholes!

Additionally, thanks. You ruined the advanced industry skill which used to be very good and was almost a requirement so we spent all our time on getting it and now it's utterly useless. Who cares about 5% bonus to time? NOBODY. How about we all just petition to get a nice refund of our god damn SP since nobody wants or needs this skill trained at all? I expect my damned time back I paid real money for to have my account active for that time.

Now as well we just watch as nullsec prints isk with their very low production costs at the outposts, and those that spent the time to set up a pos in a backwater system in lowsec with no stations get ****** once again. We have twice the job cost of the nullbears who run CSM and as usual NEVER get any say unless we are represented in CSM by being a peon in a giant alliance. What the hell is with this?!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#382 - 2014-07-24 04:48:24 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Frankly I don't really have much sympathy for people with ME 1000 blueprints. If researching them to that level was useful, then you've already benefited from doing it and don't deserve additional freebies. And if it wasn't worth researching them, then you shouldn't be compensated for making bad decisions.


This has been said many times here but I'll say it again. If you have ever sold BPCs you would know that a 500 ME BP sells a lot faster than a 250 ME BPC even if the difference in benefit is only 1 trit and in most cases you can get more isk for the BPC. Also the only way to sell BPCs is in contracts which is much more expensive than the market as well has having a max time of 2 weeks so every contract that does not get purchased is a sizeabe hit. So if you are selling BPCs it makes really good business sense to research them higher than makes sense for building. So it was not a bad decision.

To your other point of once you make isk from something it's ok to take it away so under that logic if you fit out a deadspace fit marauder and kill one rat with it and collect a bounty it's ok for CCP to replace your ship with a T1 ship and T2 mods then since you've already made isk from it?

The point is that people put time and effort into a business model that worked for them and was a steady stream of modest income. CCP is removing that from game, a game in which they claim that they reward that kind of effort.

While we are on the topic of this expansion destroying business models there was a profession that developed around trade and loot reprocessing that while it has not been removed has been gutted so heavily that many people who leveled alts with trade and reprocessing skills and then spent months grinding standing with various NPC corps to get perfect tax free refine are wishing they had not wasted what in some cases was years to get to that point.

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Acks
RONA Corporation
#383 - 2014-07-24 05:05:25 UTC
Jonathan Yatolila wrote:
Acks wrote:
Jonathan Yatolila wrote:
and don't even talk about ore reprocessing. I went from 100% refine to 67%. This is really FUBAR!!!!! Someone in CCP really needs to fix - or better yet - undo this garbage.

Oh well, at least I used to focus on active Trade - and that is what i will be going back to -- but just watch CCP screw that up too.




With Max skills, +4% refining implant, and 50% refine station you get exact same perfect refine on ice. You get about 98% of previous on ore. You have to take into account the new ore batch sizes and the fact they increased the total mins in the ore. So yes, while in the UI it says you are getting 69% (or whatever), it is still possible to get the same amount of mins from the same amount of ore as before (or at least REALLY close).


Thanks I will check that out on my alt that does the refine. Worst case scenario is that it will give me better refine than now. Will also have to check to see the ore/mineral refine results and compare them. I do hope you are correct - and if proven correct - I will gladly post a retraction - as it would give a real value then to the implant which prior had no real value. Big smile


I verified on SISI 3 hours before the patch went live. I have not reverified post patch, but unless they seriously altered things in those last few hours it should still hold true.
Laura Belle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#384 - 2014-07-24 07:06:42 UTC
Arist en Daire wrote:
Ok - so this was "supposed to fix" -- let me see, take two BPCs, identically researched. Start one job yesterday (the evening before the Crius update) and go to start same job today (after Crius update). Pre-Crius update takes 3 1/2 days to build - Post-Crius takes 9 1/2 days to build. And this is an improvement how????

In this particular case - I was working with a BPC for Plutonium Charge L. The BPC in both cases was for 1500 runs. I had obtained multiple copies - and been running them in batches as I am able due to having far more copies than slots that I can run (ME and TE are both maxed for my industry alt). So it was a good comparison - apples to apples - NOT apples to oranges.

Pre-Crius it took 4 minutes (with no modifiers for skill) for a single run - now, for no explicable reason it takes 15 minutes.


I hope rason isn't bringing the market prices up and thus having more ppl paying more $.
its legit to want ppl pay but this brute force way is simply unacceptible
SpacePhenix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#385 - 2014-07-24 08:23:34 UTC  |  Edited by: SpacePhenix
CCP Picture this....

U are pinned down to a table and a huge black as montherfucker who has long gone lost his will to live is behind you, raping you so hard in the as that you can’t breathe. Everything you learned has gone to waste and all your investments are getting drained from your wallet by the next room *****. On top of that the current tax system in your country has decided to put extra tax on your house, all your charts and all your factories. Make note that you already made a huge investment not to use the government’s assembly lines more than absolutely necessary to protect your assets and your investments. This has made your production very unpredictable, harder to do, longer time to do and with a much higher risk of your opponents to steal or destroy your invested chats. The worst part is when you punch the numbers; you know it’s going to take you the double amount of time to produce from your charts compared to before. As you lying there in agony, all you can think of is how huge and impact this will have on your friends. And when you ask the government why, they simply answer; we only want to benefit the perverts in our society and there is nothing wrong with making the heart of eve paying for it.

Here is a very important message to you CCP and I want you to freeze that on your retina. A productionist does not produce for fun; he/she produces only for profit nothing else. It will never change even if you’re trying to make things look nicer, witch you failed miserable in fyi.

Thank you ccp for finding a way to justyfie your useless programmers existance..Thank you ccp for making the game prittyer and not fix the isssues we have been complayning about for years and now are overshaddowed of uselessnes... Thank you again for --NOT lissening to what the EVE gamers wanted-- correction .. ==only lissen to what one group of EVE gamers wanted==.. Thank you for prividing more content for the grefers in EVE, as if that was what eve neded.. (If you are in dobt IT WAS NOT)... Thank you CCP for making all my skill points in sience and industry and all my blueprints totaly useles...Thank you .. Thank you... Thank you... THANK YOU
Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#386 - 2014-07-24 10:31:46 UTC

BLOG wrote:

After *considerable* discussion, both internally and on the forums, we have decided that we are not going to award any additional compensation for blueprints currently researched past ME/PE 10. There are a lot of things feeding into this decision, including the strong precedent it sets, the fact that no functional value is lost, and the work involved in a one-time compensation deal that could be spent on polishing up the features we're shipping.



Issues Feedback threads wrote:

Known Issues:

Blueprints that are locked inside any container cannot be used to submit or deliver jobs.
Jobs Tab shows BPOs instead of BPC during an invention job
Assembly Arrays have not been updated correctly. E.g. Corporate Hangar Array cargohold is still 1.4m instead of 3m
"Job cannot be completed as it has already been completed" message when delivering jobs
The number of available Science Jobs in the UI is sometimes displayed incorrectly. Jobs may appear available even if all possible jobs are running. (Current workaround is to restart the client).
Facilities are not ordered correctly
Reprocessing yield tooltip sometimes displays the incorrect % yield.
Cannot reprocess Gasses
Research job output does not reflect the new efficiency levels when viewed in industry
Some Reverse Engineering jobs before the update cannot be delivered
Graphical corruption in the form of a red flicker around window borders, etc. Current workaround is to set client to DirectX9 (Open the Launcher, click on the Cog - upper right hand corner, select DirectX tab, choose DirectX 9) - Dedicated Thread
Cannot install into a corporation structure without access to the corporation wallet funds.
Refreshing of blueprints in the blueprint browser might be delayed in some cases
Tech 3 Materiel Requirements are too high (by about 10%)
Some Tech 2 items contain Tech 1 materials are requirements
The Industry UI will display a base price as the job cost for activities when trying to view them in systems where there are no available facilities of that type. (E.g. If you are looking at a Manufacturing job for a ship and preview it in a facility that does not have Manufacturing cost you will get a very high quote)
Reprocessing window does not update the output when reprocessing subsequent items
Selecting a team when viewing an Invention or Reverse Engineering job will prevent you from submitting the job. The current workaround is to reset all settings via the ESC menu
Completed or stopped jobs cannot be delivered (applies to numerous cases including jobs at Starbases)
The Industry tab on ores are displaying blank
Resolved:

Mining Crystals and the Perpetual Motion Unity display a 0 second invention time. Once the job is submitted, it will run with the correct time of the respective item.
Setting facility tax at POSes might take some time.
Blueprint show info does not reflect ME level
Jobs on Arrays that are destroyed are not completely removed from the UI
Rapid Equipment Assembly Array missing 5% ME penalty
ME and TE jobs require access to Division I for materials regardless of where the job is installed from.
ME and TE research cost scaling formula is not correct.


Evidence would seem to suggest it wasn't your release you were polishing.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#387 - 2014-07-24 12:24:40 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

ME (and PE on a minor effect) are to BPC traders what SEO is to search engines.


a scam that will get your site blackholed by google when they find you've been deceiving their users by abusing their algorithm with tricks that gave you more attention than your content deserved?

what a good analogy, im glad we're on the same side of this issue


Have you EVER worked on SEO? Does not seem so.

i have not worked in optimizing scam sites to get better google rankings then complained when google's update blackholes my site, no

why do you ask
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#388 - 2014-07-24 12:32:13 UTC
if you knew anything about SEO, of course, you'd know that google changing the rules of the game to punish people who try to exploit flaws in the ranking algorithm to get undeserved attention - like bpo plumage!

it really was a good analogy you hit on i must thank you
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#389 - 2014-07-24 12:53:40 UTC
SpacePhenix wrote:
CCP Picture this....

U are pinned down to a table and a huge black as montherfucker who has long gone lost his will to live is behind you, raping you so hard in the as that you can’t breathe. Everything you learned has gone to waste and all your investments are getting drained from your wallet by the next room *****. On top of that the current tax system in your country has decided to put extra tax on your house, all your charts and all your factories. Make note that you already made a huge investment not to use the government’s assembly lines more than absolutely necessary to protect your assets and your investments. This has made your production very unpredictable, harder to do, longer time to do and with a much higher risk of your opponents to steal or destroy your invested chats. The worst part is when you punch the numbers; you know it’s going to take you the double amount of time to produce from your charts compared to before. As you lying there in agony, all you can think of is how huge and impact this will have on your friends. And when you ask the government why, they simply answer; we only want to benefit the perverts in our society and there is nothing wrong with making the heart of eve paying for it.

Here is a very important message to you CCP and I want you to freeze that on your retina. A productionist does not produce for fun; he/she produces only for profit nothing else. It will never change even if you’re trying to make things look nicer, witch you failed miserable in fyi.
I am sorry for using questionable language but don’t expect me to be nice when you’re steeling from the time to have fun in eve.

you need help dude

like seriously

this is a v i d e o g a m e

experiencing a setback in a video game is not anything like being raped

please seek therapy
Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#390 - 2014-07-24 13:02:35 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
SpacePhenix wrote:
CCP Picture this....

U are pinned down to a table and a huge black as montherfucker who has long gone lost his will to live is behind you, raping you so hard in the as that you can’t breathe. Everything you learned has gone to waste and all your investments are getting drained from your wallet by the next room *****. On top of that the current tax system in your country has decided to put extra tax on your house, all your charts and all your factories. Make note that you already made a huge investment not to use the government’s assembly lines more than absolutely necessary to protect your assets and your investments. This has made your production very unpredictable, harder to do, longer time to do and with a much higher risk of your opponents to steal or destroy your invested chats. The worst part is when you punch the numbers; you know it’s going to take you the double amount of time to produce from your charts compared to before. As you lying there in agony, all you can think of is how huge and impact this will have on your friends. And when you ask the government why, they simply answer; we only want to benefit the perverts in our society and there is nothing wrong with making the heart of eve paying for it.

Here is a very important message to you CCP and I want you to freeze that on your retina. A productionist does not produce for fun; he/she produces only for profit nothing else. It will never change even if you’re trying to make things look nicer, witch you failed miserable in fyi.
I am sorry for using questionable language but don’t expect me to be nice when you’re steeling from the time to have fun in eve.

you need help dude

like seriously

this is a v i d e o g a m e

experiencing a setback in a video game is not anything like being raped

please seek therapy



You are missing the point of this post

Corporations are People!

Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#391 - 2014-07-24 13:16:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

ME (and PE on a minor effect) are to BPC traders what SEO is to search engines.


a scam that will get your site blackholed by google when they find you've been deceiving their users by abusing their algorithm with tricks that gave you more attention than your content deserved?

what a good analogy, im glad we're on the same side of this issue


Have you EVER worked on SEO? Does not seem so.

i have not worked in optimizing scam sites to get better google rankings then complained when google's update blackholes my site, no

why do you ask


So, to you Amazon.com, TripAdvisor, Booking.com... and thousands top websites (and top SEO optimized websites) and any E-commerce website based on Magento (and others) are a scam?

Are you joking?

I mean, how can anyone ever listen to ONE of your sentences with a minimum of credibility after these gross sweeping statements?

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#392 - 2014-07-24 13:23:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I mean, how can anyone ever listen to ONE of your sentences with a minimum of credibility after these gross sweeping statements?

actually he's right, go look up Google Penguin, that wasn't a throwaway line by yours truly, it actually describes things that Google has done to prune black hat seo

bpo plumage is black hat seo
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#393 - 2014-07-24 13:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Retar Aveymone
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

So, to you Amazon.com, TripAdvisor, Booking.com... and thousands top websites (and top SEO optimized websites) and any E-commerce website based on Magento (and others) are a scam?

Are you joking?

I mean, how can anyone ever listen to ONE of your sentences with a minimum of credibility after these gross sweeping statements?

so to you, [obviously untrue statement because i have an indefensable position and need to throw chaff], [dismissal of obviously untrue statement that i hope causes a new argument that distracts from my hilariously indefensible position], [attempt to assert intellectual superiority that my posts cannot support]

q.e.d.

what i said is absolutely true and what you are arguing is that you have been engaging in a link ring and are complaining google blackholed your site because your linkring seo is the same as companies that make useful and valuable sites and how dare google interfere with your freedom (to scam)
Kesker
The Sagan Clan
#394 - 2014-07-24 13:35:37 UTC

Quote:
With Max skills, +4% refining implant, and 50% refine station you get exact same perfect refine on ice. You get about 98% of previous on ore. You have to take into account the new ore batch sizes and the fact they increased the total mins in the ore. So yes, while in the UI it says you are getting 69% (or whatever), it is still possible to get the same amount of mins from the same amount of ore as before (or at least REALLY close).



Of course that +4 implant will cost you 165 mil. Don't put that in your miners head.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#395 - 2014-07-24 14:08:34 UTC
wait, I should clarify

bpo plumage WAS black hat seo

now it's gone forever :sun:
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#396 - 2014-07-24 14:34:39 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I mean, how can anyone ever listen to ONE of your sentences with a minimum of credibility after these gross sweeping statements?

actually he's right, go look up Google Penguin, that wasn't a throwaway line by yours truly, it actually describes things that Google has done to prune black hat seo

bpo plumage is black hat seo


I never mentioned "black hat seo", also because selling a pristine BPC is comparable to legit SEO not to selling a low quality lemon. As for Penguin etc, it's not the only "animal" algo Google has adopted and anyone doing serious SEO knows what to do to comply with its requirements.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#397 - 2014-07-24 14:40:08 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

So, to you Amazon.com, TripAdvisor, Booking.com... and thousands top websites (and top SEO optimized websites) and any E-commerce website based on Magento (and others) are a scam?

Are you joking?

I mean, how can anyone ever listen to ONE of your sentences with a minimum of credibility after these gross sweeping statements?

so to you, [obviously untrue statement because i have an indefensable position and need to throw chaff], [dismissal of obviously untrue statement that i hope causes a new argument that distracts from my hilariously indefensible position], [attempt to assert intellectual superiority that my posts cannot support]

q.e.d.

what i said is absolutely true and what you are arguing is that you have been engaging in a link ring and are complaining google blackholed your site because your linkring seo is the same as companies that make useful and valuable sites and how dare google interfere with your freedom (to scam)



Total nonsense. The funny thing the only ones talking about black hats and link rings is you and your colleague. Looks like those very close to grey areas are your truly.

All I have ever done is to provide the best possible and most competitive products to the market.

Any moron with 2 brain cells can use one of many EVE utilities to see if the saving given by a better researched BPC justifies its higher cost. Those who entertrain in the practices you are so keen talking about, see their BPOs rot and expire.

Your position IS indefensible, because primary school math can prove which BPC is a deal (and mine ALL are) and which is not.

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Ias Zel
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#398 - 2014-07-24 14:45:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ias Zel
After years of playing WoW and all the time and money I spent on the expansions I quit playing after they changed the game so much that it had no resembelance to the original. EVE is starting to go the same way. If you guys at CCP think that changing the game to attract more kiddies or to justify the existance of your programmers is going to get you more business - it won't. I have no problem moving on to another game before my investment in this one goes down the drain. Stop messing with the game - IF it ain't broke don't fix it. I saw nothing wrong with the way Industry was before and I can't figure out what is what now.

I play games that are challenging to figure out and that I have fun playing. I do NOT have fun trying to learn a game over again because some idiots in some dept. in your company decided it was a good idea to change something that didn't need changing. I'm tired of investing REAL time and REAL money in games that change their whole make-up every couple of months/years. World of Warcraft started out as "High Plains Drifter" and it turned into "Bridges Of Maddison County". Don't do the same thing to EVE.

Bottom line is this - change something else and I'm gone.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#399 - 2014-07-24 14:54:29 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
wait, I should clarify

bpo plumage WAS black hat seo

now it's gone forever :sun:


Talks the virgin belonging to the "Goonswarm" holy sisters cloister. The same saints who exploited uncounted billions when CCP released "Forex FW", the same who endorse the classic "500M Goonswarm membership entry fee", the same who gouged and made cartel over the Technetium market for years.

The same who studied every exploit possible to twist and shape EvE grids to PvP advantage and... I just can't list the endless series of filth your alliance has done through the years.

And now they come here preaching'n'teaching on the high moral ground like holy sisters. This is just gross. Lol

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#400 - 2014-07-24 15:06:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Promiscuous Female wrote:
wait, I should clarify

bpo plumage WAS black hat seo

now it's gone forever :sun:


Talks the virgin belonging to the "Goonswarm" holy sisters cloister. The same saints who exploited uncounted billions when CCP released "Forex FW", the same who endorse the classic "500M Goonswarm membership entry fee", the same who gouged and made cartel over the Technetium market for years.

The same who studied every exploit possible to twist and shape EvE grids to PvP advantage and... I just can't list the endless series of filth your alliance has done through the years.

And now they come here preaching'n'teaching on the high moral ground like holy sisters. This is just gross. Lol

hey now i never claimed to be better than anyone, merely reminding y'all that bpo plumage puts you at our level

i'm sure y'all made bank on selling snake oil

doesn't mean that ccp has to tolerate it, just like they don't have to tolerate our shenanigans

or did you forget that grid fu and forex were summarily punished