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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#81 - 2014-01-16 05:04:41 UTC
oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#82 - 2014-01-16 05:06:29 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:


No I'm calling you illiterate because I wasn't talking about the ESS when you engaged me, I was making a comment on the inability to secure any space no matter how much effort is due to the current meta fast align kiting interceptors have added, I have clearly and overtly stated this directly at least once, yet you still bring the ESS up as if it was winning you the argument. But please talk about he counters to the ESS again because the next time it will totally be what I was talking about when you first quoted me and started this idiot discussion.


Oh I am sorry, it is totally idiotic of me to assume that you whinning about ceptors in a thread specifically about the ESS module, meant you are whinning about them in relation to each other. It is totally my bad and should've immediately known you were just whinning about ceptors in general.

Is that "nested" enough for you??

Still don't know what that means btw.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#83 - 2014-01-16 05:06:33 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me

First of all, I have no respect for Goonswarm.

Second of all, you are a disgrace to Goonswarm.

They're adjustments to the game. HTFU noob.
Decian Cor
Stronghelm Corporation
Solyaris Chtonium
#84 - 2014-01-16 05:08:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Decian Cor
SmilingVagrant wrote:


No I'm calling you illiterate because I wasn't talking about the ESS when you engaged me, I was making a comment on the inability to secure any space no matter how much effort is due to the current meta fast align kiting interceptors have added, I have clearly and overtly stated this directly at least once, yet you still bring the ESS up as if it was winning you the argument. But please talk about he counters to the ESS again because the next time it will totally be what I was talking about when you first quoted me and started this idiot discussion.



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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#85 - 2014-01-16 05:08:04 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me

First of all, I have no respect for Goonswarm.

Second of all, you are a disgrace to Goonswarm.

They're adjustments to the game. HTFU noob.


oh god i'm a laughing stock, it's ok no one has respect for agony empire because they are usually like "who's agony empire"
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#86 - 2014-01-16 05:09:56 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me

First of all, I have no respect for Goonswarm.

Second of all, you are the guiding light and chosen son of Goonswarm.

They're bad, and poorly thought out adjustments to the game. HTFU sir.


FTFY

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Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#87 - 2014-01-16 05:10:02 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
oh god i'm a laughing stock

I think that about covers it.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-01-16 05:11:51 UTC
serious question who is agony empire

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#89 - 2014-01-16 05:12:00 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
oh wow I think I got my pubbies mixed up, sorry you all look the same to me



Now that means you are definitely winning the argument.

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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#90 - 2014-01-16 05:12:18 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:


Then how about you whiny fucks go back to high sec. You'll get the big isk and you can grief the hell out of all the carebears and pubbies and you won't have to worry about interceptors. Seriously. Why do you even null?


Because we'd kill everybody. ...which now that I think about it isn't a bad idea. Yeah, let's implement this, nerf null, make the game more imbalanced, **** off nullsec players, force them(all of them) to make their isk in highsec, except we awox, gank, pillage, steal and destroy everyone.. The more I think about it, the more I like it.Twisted


Sounds good to me too, that's why I suggested it. Null should be voting with its feet and leaving if its such ****.


I was more of being sarcastic, although I am always down for a good highsec bashBlink

I do think this ESS thing is a bad idea, though, mainly due to the already imbalance between nullsec and highsec.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#91 - 2014-01-16 05:12:30 UTC
This is good stuff. Big smile

SmilingVagrant (or should it just be Vagrant atm?) please keep poasting.

Anyway, so do these ESS thingies activate the broadcast when a ship is in a certain proximity to it OR is it only when warping directly to the module?

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#92 - 2014-01-16 05:12:50 UTC
i thought the "who's agony empire" was pretty poignant
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#93 - 2014-01-16 05:14:01 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
serious question who is agony empire

Here you go.

Oh, and hello Arkady!

You here to weep buckets too, or just stick up for old whatshisface?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#94 - 2014-01-16 05:15:09 UTC
oh so what was that thing you did?
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#95 - 2014-01-16 05:18:46 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
oh so what was that thing you did?

This is a perfect "your mom" opportunity, but I'll let it slip by.

See? I am the perfect gentleman.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#96 - 2014-01-16 05:20:22 UTC
jesus this is getting meta
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#97 - 2014-01-16 05:23:46 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
i thought the "who's agony empire" was pretty poignant


Yes because if you aren't an f1 warrior in a alliance that has sov in many many systems, your opinions are directly invalid.

Let us know when the gag order comes through. (I guess we will find out when you stop posting)
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#98 - 2014-01-16 05:25:50 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
serious question who is agony empire

Here you go.

Oh, and hello Arkady!

You here to weep buckets too, or just stick up for old whatshisface?



I object to a nerf to nullsec ratting income in principle when CCPs own economist says there is nothing wrong with the isk being generated, as well as the implementation of a structure which makes nullspace objectively worse. We need more people in null, not less.

I personally favor a LP type isk sink for null, as it solves the (alleged) isk faucet problem and is far more likely to encourage null players to make their ISK in null (and thus be in null as a target to other nullsec players roaming gangs), rather than on hisec alts.

The fact that I like Vagrant's rageposting is neither here nor there.

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#99 - 2014-01-16 05:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Logical 101 wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
serious question who is agony empire

Here you go.

Oh, and hello Arkady!

You here to weep buckets too, or just stick up for old whatshisface?



I object to a nerf to nullsec ratting income in principle when CCPs own economist says there is nothing wrong with the isk being generated, as well as the implementation of a structure which makes nullspace objectively worse. We need more people in null, not less.

I personally favor a LP type isk sink for null, as it solves the (alleged) isk faucet problem and is far more likely to encourage null players to make their ISK in null (and thus be in null as a target to other nullsec players roaming gangs), rather than on hisec alts.

The fact that I like Vagrant's rageposting is neither here nor there.



First of all why is this assumed that this is a fix regarding the faucet? (not by you but many people mentioned it). I wasn't aware that was even a problem.

There has been for a while now, a concept that CCP fozzie in particular has championed, and that is the concept of "farms and fields". This will not be created in a single iteration or patch, but is an ongoing process.

The fact that this further borks up the risk / reward imbalance between highsec and null sec is another issue entirely, that hopefully will get fixed soon as well. Don't forget changes to high sec are happening such as the POCO change. As a standalone change to null sec, this module can only create or incentivise more conflict, which in my book is always the number one priority in EVE. And at the end of the day, worst case scenario we are talking about a 5% nerf to ratting income, which is by no means the end of the world.

It is a process and for the full picture to coalesce (dam take that illiteracy) more time and patches are needed.
ElSuerte Diego
Los Perros Hermanos
#100 - 2014-01-16 05:35:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I wonder how long it takes to access the funds from the module.


I believe 60 seconds overall.

Pinky Hops wrote:
what?


The injection of isk, compared to the injection of valuable goods, is functionally the same.

If I get 50 mil in isk from doing something, and I buy Item X for 25 mil, then it's precise the same equation as if I get 25 mil isk and Item X from doing something else.

The only difference is that the item is likely a more stable investment, as the fluctuation of prices of an individual faction item is typically less than the fluctuation of money.


You're getting it wrong. It's a money supply thing. If I earn 50 million ISK in bounties, there is an additional 50 million ISK floating around in the economy. If I mine 50 million ISK worth of trit, my personal wealth and the GDP goes up by 50 million isk, but the amount of ISK floating around the economy stays the same.

The problem is that bounties are potentially inflationary if they aren't balanced by isk sinks like sov bills or LP store fees.