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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#121 - 2014-01-16 07:11:45 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:
People already don't rat when a null cloaker is in system.


I was talking about leaving your own AFK cloaky alt on the module.


Someone is going to say "Opportunity cost" soon. It would be better isk to train that alt up and dual box ratting than it would be to waste an entire account sitting there slapping a button. This is not to say someone isn't going to do it.... but thats the answer for someone who's min/maxing isk gain.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#122 - 2014-01-16 07:12:47 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
o.O
I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.


If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark shit.


If nobody gonna use it , wy is there a problem null bear?


Because then the whole venture becomes another arbitrary nerf to nullsec income.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#123 - 2014-01-16 07:20:13 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
Fix Lag wrote:
Jim Era wrote:
o.O
I've been away for too long, wat is this you speak of.


If you can get past the very poorly written devblog, CCP's cutting nullsec ratter income by a minimum of 5% across the board and attempting to force a really, really, REALLY poorly designed mechanic down peoples' throats. It's so bad neither the defenders or offenders want to use it. That's how wretchedly horrible it is. And the blanket cut with no justification is a load of rotting Icelandic shark shit.


If nobody gonna use it , wy is there a problem null bear?


Because its being rolled out with a flat 5% nerf to all bounties in null.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#124 - 2014-01-16 07:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical 101
SmilingVagrant wrote:
So you really have nothing? I mean your main argument here seems to be based around "I don't really like it either, but I'm offended that you don't like it enough to say something". Well ok I guess you can sprint with that and see how far you can get.

It's your raging dissatisfaction with the inefficacy of a comparatively insignificant functional element like this that makes you such a juicy, squishy target to pick apart. Seriously, they tried something to make ratting more of an "activity hub" process, and it isn't sitting well. We get it. It's not your bag of tea. But the sun will come out tomorrow.

Down the road, you're going to feel pretty silly about all this 5% income reduction nonsense while everyone is off having fun with the new scan and cyno stuff, which is poised to be a hit.

Nullbears are vicious. They have important spacemonies (you know, astrodollars) to make. I just didn't expect that from the same organization that at one time showed us you can conquer people with noob ships.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#125 - 2014-01-16 07:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
But you haven't picked anything apart? I mean coming across as a pedant really isn't a goal you should be shooting for. And once again you are adding extra layers to the argument that don't even exist.

I say a single deployable is crap, a flat decline in ratting income is bad, and suddenly I'm against all deployables ever? I'll talk for me, you talk for you.

As far as isk generation goes, I like to have enough to continue the "Entertaining" bits of Eve for me which thankfully isn't much, but yes I find it obnoxious that an already fairly small income stream is being nerfed even by a small amount forcing people to stare at red X's even longer in a game just to actually... you know enjoy the game.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#126 - 2014-01-16 07:31:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical 101
SmilingVagrant wrote:
pedant

a person who overemphasizes minor details

a person who adheres to book knowledge without regard to common sense

a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning

Between your ISK flow charts, your tears over your 5% lost income, and your lack of acknowledgement of the intent behind the implementation of these structures, you're 3 for 3.

Well done, pedant.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-01-16 07:32:41 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
pedant

a person who overemphasizes minor details

a person who adheres to book knowledge without regard to common sense

a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning



Like getting stuck on other deployables which aren't even a part of the argument at hand?
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#128 - 2014-01-16 07:33:49 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Like getting stuck on other deployables which aren't even a part of the argument at hand?

Someone is going to have to yank you kicking and screaming out of your tunnel eventually.

I'm doing what I can.

And I'm doing God's work, sir.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#129 - 2014-01-16 07:34:18 UTC
I mean you are literally mad that I dislike a change that you don't particularly think is good. You can't really start from a more ridiculous base argument than that.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#130 - 2014-01-16 07:37:53 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I mean you are literally mad

No, that's you.

This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach.

Grab a beer and join me.

Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#131 - 2014-01-16 07:38:52 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Like getting stuck on other deployables which aren't even a part of the argument at hand?

Someone is going to have to yank you kicking and screaming out of your tunnel eventually.

I'm doing what I can.

And I'm doing God's work, sir.


I'm not discussing those though. I don't feel the need to discuss those because I have no inherent problem with them. I mean I realize this is difficult for slow people to get but I generally don't complain about the things I like, nor do I bother bringing them up in discussions that they aren't really even related too.

I like the Stratios, I think it's can be a fun ship and a welcome addition to the game that has been lacking new covert ships for a while now. But I don't feel the need to bring it up in a discussion about nerfing nullsec income or creating a completely unrelated module that has iffy mechanics. Why do you? Is it ADD or something?
Victor Andall
#132 - 2014-01-16 07:38:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right?


Nah, no thanks. Enjoy your new POS, though.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#133 - 2014-01-16 07:39:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I mean you are literally mad

No, that's you.

This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach.

Grab a beer and join me.

Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.



Ah the puppetmaster argument. How nostalgic.


VVV beaten. Get on my level. :getin:

Whole Squid: Get Inked.

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-01-16 07:40:55 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I mean you are literally mad

No, that's you.

This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach.

Grab a beer and join me.

Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.


ahaha the puppetmasta defense :shobon:

SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#135 - 2014-01-16 07:41:50 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Logical 101 wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I mean you are literally mad

No, that's you.

This is my equivalent of meditation or a relaxing walk on the beach.

Grab a beer and join me.

Or wake up to the fact that I am stringing you along like a chipmunk on a tiny leash.



Ah the puppetmaster argument. How nostalgic.


No dumb argument can ever be wrong if I say I was merely trolling him, it means I win!
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#136 - 2014-01-16 07:42:28 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Ah the puppetmaster argument. How nostalgic.

Oh don't give me that crap. It's one of the cornerstones of being a Goon.

What continues to amuse me is that none of you have figured out how to earn that 105% yet. Lol
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#137 - 2014-01-16 07:43:21 UTC
I don't rat generally.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#138 - 2014-01-16 07:46:38 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I don't rat generally.

Well, what I've learned from this thread is that, although you are Goonswarm, you have no clue how to exploit (make use of) these new deployables, and that interceptors befuddle and terrify you.

If that's what you were going for, well done, mission successful.
Turelus
Utassi Security
#139 - 2014-01-16 07:50:54 UTC
Hey you missed all of Fourth District! We're relevant too! Lol Or did we just get filed under CVA again, because there is a difference!

Turelus CEO Utassi Security

QproQ
Monolithic Juggernaut
#140 - 2014-01-16 07:52:22 UTC
I fail to see how this is any different than the addition of MTUs for mission runners. The MTU provides a potential increase in efficiency (income increase), balanced by the increased interference from outside parties, forcing coordination between corpmates.

The ESS provides a potential increase in income balanced by the chance of interference, forcing coordination between alliance members.