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Genseric Tollaris
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-01-16 03:55:12 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Whoops sorry couldn't post again there for a second because my gang was trying to lock a maladiction that has a 1.9 align/warp speed making it entirely untouchable due to 1 second server ticks.

Apparently stuffing sebos in a stilleto till it locks a pod in a second isn't enough.


Then how about you whiny fucks go back to high sec. You'll get the big isk and you can grief the hell out of all the carebears and pubbies and you won't have to worry about interceptors. Seriously. Why do you even null?


God yeah your right, we should probably just let the game become so broken no one enjoys playing it, I mean it's only like two point five years till star citizen comes out. I say we get remote doomsdays back too.


I'm sure CCP will fix the horrible and unjust imbalance when they see you vote with your feet and move back to empire.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-01-16 03:56:04 UTC
Hey CCP I have this wild idea to make the PVE in your game even more tedious. Replace all bounties with Tags. ALL bounties. Then make it so the tags can only be traded in for raw materials. Which you use to craft your ships yourself.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-01-16 03:57:00 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:

I'm sure CCP will fix the horrible and unjust imbalance when they see you vote with your feet and move back to empire.


"Move back" implies I've ever spent significant time in empire.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#44 - 2014-01-16 03:57:13 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Hey CCP I have this wild idea to make the PVE in your game even more tedious. Replace all bounties with Tags. ALL bounties. Then make it so the tags can only be traded in for raw materials. Which you use to craft your ships yourself.


Heck, why even have money?

Let's get this **** into a barter system.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Genseric Tollaris
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-01-16 04:04:20 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:

I'm sure CCP will fix the horrible and unjust imbalance when they see you vote with your feet and move back to empire.


"Move back" implies I've ever spent significant time in empire.


I apologize for confusing you. I had intended to imply your character was born in high sec, and thus came from high sec. That's how I came to phrase it as 'move back'. I hope that's clear to you. Seriously though, move to high sec. It'll solve all your problems. Carebears to gank, scrubs to duel, pubbies to insult and you'll be swimming in mountains of lvl 4 isk.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-01-16 04:05:44 UTC
Why do that when I can just send an alt to highsec and continue to shoot at unimportant recruiting alliance full of pubbie scrublords like yourself?
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#47 - 2014-01-16 04:05:51 UTC
despite what everyone's saying, there are plenty of dead-end pockets and other places where people already like to rat where you could easily drop one down for a few hours without having it snatched.

As for lengthening the payout period, that might be needed, but people should consider that its balanced against the defenders forming up BEFORE the hostiles enter system.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Genseric Tollaris
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-01-16 04:08:23 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Why do that when I can just send an alt to highsec and continue to shoot at unimportant recruiting alliance full of pubbie scrublords like yourself?


For the pleasure of doing it with your main of course. And so you don't have to cry all over the forums about how unfair the game is. Change your play style bro, then you won't have to whinge as much.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#49 - 2014-01-16 04:12:32 UTC
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Why do that when I can just send an alt to highsec and continue to shoot at unimportant recruiting alliance full of pubbie scrublords like yourself?


For the pleasure of doing it with your main of course. And so you don't have to cry all over the forums about how unfair the game is. Change your play style bro, then you won't have to whinge as much.


It's not unfair, it's broken. There's a difference. A hotdrop is generally "Unfair" to the recipient of a hotdrop. But it's not broken, it has a counter, and it has inherent risks and rewards. I realize you are dumb so you may not understand the inherent "Risk vs Reward" tenant that is the entire basis for this game and I'd spell it out but I'm honestly pretty lazy.
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#50 - 2014-01-16 04:13:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Joan Greywind
Fix Lag wrote:
You know there's a pretty huge issue when

Goonswarm Federation
Mordus Angels
Fatal Ascension
Razor Alliance
Li3 Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Space Monkey's Alliance
Pandemic Legion
Black Legion
Nulli Secunda
Against All Authorities
Darkness of Despair
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
The Initiative.
Brothers of Tangra
Fidelas Constans
Gentleman's Agreement
Solar Fleet
Circle of Two
The Kadeshi
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Spaceship Samurai
Executive Outcomes


all have managed to agree that the new ESS deployable is really fucking stupid.

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Oh how terrible, all the big nullsec blobbers agree that actually pvping to keep their ratters income up is a travesty. This is totally unacceptable, are you actually telling me that now we can't just dock up? Do you mean now we have to actually start protecting our renters and ratting income, tsk tsk, totally unacceptable.

Anyways the only issue I find with it is the time to steal is very short, 60 secs is way too low, it should at least be 3 mins and 5 mins ideally. Give time for actual ships to warp there.

And it's not a nerf if you deploy this right and are willing to fight for the income. It will decrease it by 5% intially but has the potential to increase it by 10%, which is a boost in income. Hopefully this range will also widen in the future.

The only thing worse than a carebear is a nullbear, because a carebear ia at least honest about it.
trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-01-16 04:14:05 UTC
A flat nerf to null bounties would have been simpler and less annoying.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#52 - 2014-01-16 04:16:29 UTC
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:
A flat nerf to null bounties would have been simpler and less annoying.


I pretty much agree. Allthough CCP has always stated that increased rewards should follow the more risks a player takes (And of course survives). A pure isk faucet like rat bounties was a bad idea from the get go. I rather like what one goon posted which was if you want to reduce faucets and get isk moving around in the economy, change half of the rat bounties into LP and put LP stores in every nullsec station.

But that's a good idea so CCP would never do that.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#53 - 2014-01-16 04:19:34 UTC
Batelle wrote:
As for lengthening the payout period, that might be needed, but people should consider that its balanced against the defenders forming up BEFORE the hostiles enter system.

So the ESS will be bait for the untouchable AFK cloakers and other nullsec pests. Sounds like the ESS might be quite useful after all.
Genseric Tollaris
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-01-16 04:21:27 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
It's not unfair, it's broken. There's a difference. A hotdrop is generally "Unfair" to the recipient of a hotdrop. But it's not broken, it has a counter, and it has inherent risks and rewards. I realize you are dumb so you may not understand the inherent "Risk vs Reward" tenant that is the entire basis for this game and I'd spell it out but I'm honestly pretty lazy.


No, please do explain it to me. As though you were explaining it to a child. Explain to me how the ESS is broken and has no counter. Explain to me how it doesn't add to the risk v reward dimension. Explain how it won't be fixed if CCP finds that it really is broken and you're not just a whinging *****.

Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#55 - 2014-01-16 04:21:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Batelle wrote:
As for lengthening the payout period, that might be needed, but people should consider that its balanced against the defenders forming up BEFORE the hostiles enter system.

So the ESS will be bait for the untouchable AFK cloakers and other nullsec pests. Sounds like the ESS might be quite useful after all.



AFK cloakers are only harmful if they actually decloak. Prepare to start defending your ratting income as should be the case.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#56 - 2014-01-16 04:25:16 UTC
I wonder how long it takes to access the funds from the module.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-01-16 04:25:44 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk.


Granted, you qualify this statement as "they generate loyalty points instead", but that is still bar none the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say on these forums.


what?

so you don't understand the difference between say, a pound of gold, and a wad of cash? you view them as equivalent?

if you mine gold out of the ground - you "create" dollars?.... no - you don't. ...

or are you just being thick on purpose? some sort of troll?

reminds me of this picture:

https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1338/97/1338970066809.png
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#58 - 2014-01-16 04:26:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Riot Girl wrote:
I wonder how long it takes to access the funds from the module.


I believe 60 seconds overall.

Pinky Hops wrote:
what?


The injection of isk, compared to the injection of valuable goods, is functionally the same.

If I get 50 mil in isk from doing something, and I buy Item X for 25 mil, then it's precise the same equation as if I get 25 mil isk and Item X from doing something else.

The only difference is that the item is likely a more stable investment, as the fluctuation of prices of an individual faction item is typically less than the fluctuation of money.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#59 - 2014-01-16 04:27:15 UTC
I look at this as a fantastic buff to cloaky system campers! Now, all I have to do is once in a while, get in range of this thing, and the rest of the time just stay cloaked up... and local will tell them im active and theyll be twice as scared! Actually..scared and PISSED because they'll think im stealing from them too!


But you know guys, we can always make up for this reduction in bounties by increasing highsec ganking.... Not that I really want more competition, but hey, peeps gotta eat.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#60 - 2014-01-16 04:28:03 UTC
Plenty of time to initiate a fight. Can it be hidden by the d-scan things?