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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#81 - 2017-06-15 14:29:15 UTC
FIX IT wrote:


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/


I just saw that, and you can find people who have had 'farms' going complaining already.

To me it's like rorquals and supercarriers and people injecting to get into them. People have to know by now that CCP eventually comes down on stuff like that, but they still go after it, invest time into it, and complain when the inevitable nerf or exploit notification comes.

I've seen it my entire EVE career starting with the folks who complained when CCP fixed the high sec lvl 5 mission bug that "CCP just moved lvl 5s to low sec so that people will go there to do them, lose ships and have to buy PLEX/GTC!!".
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#82 - 2017-06-15 15:38:17 UTC
So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....

Business as usual.

These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2017-06-15 15:40:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
FIX IT wrote:


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/


I just saw that, and you can find people who have had 'farms' going complaining already.

To me it's like rorquals and supercarriers and people injecting to get into them.



Can you please clarify what this response? Players can still skill inject int these skills to fly these ships. That is not an exploit. I thought it was a game mechanic.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#84 - 2017-06-15 15:48:31 UTC
Ergum Motsu wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


After previously stating "In celebration of the 20th Anniversary of CCP Games, attendees will also be able to get their hands on decommissioned CONCORD vessels as part of Fanfest ticket packages this year.

Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser."

The operative word being Ticket Package, no mention of per account held. Literally throwing 100's of ships at people which are currently trading at over 1b isk each, just a wekk after coming out with theres too much isk ingame, being held by too few players smacks of utter stupidity and no thinking going into the impact of their decisions.


https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/pacifier-enforcer-distribution-complete/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=news

And this article published yesterday says its per account registered to the email used, all it does is expand on the original wording, they never stated it was a single package per ticket nor that it didn't include all accounts owned by the person buying the ticket, you assumed one thing and they did a different thing
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#85 - 2017-06-15 15:50:28 UTC
Uthgaard wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Having multiple accounts was never against the rules though


No one said having multiple accounts was against the rules... I get the sense that reading is hard for you.

And beside that, CCP did not say per account. They said per ticket. You can read it yourself here... or can you?

Quote:
In celebration of Fanfest 2017, we will be issuing a decommissioned CONCORD Pacifier class frigate with the sale of every Fanfest ticket.

In addition to this, we’ll be issuing a decommissioned CONCORD Enforcer class cruiser with every Fanfest ticket that is purchased early, before January 1st 2017.


Yes, A pacifier, and each account got only a single pacifier, they never clearly stated that it was 1 per person anywhere, i mean, you're telling me i didn't read it when you're interpreting it one way when CCP did it another :P
Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2017-06-15 15:52:06 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Ergum Motsu wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


After previously stating "In celebration of the 20th Anniversary of CCP Games, attendees will also be able to get their hands on decommissioned CONCORD vessels as part of Fanfest ticket packages this year.

Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser."

The operative word being Ticket Package, no mention of per account held. Literally throwing 100's of ships at people which are currently trading at over 1b isk each, just a wekk after coming out with theres too much isk ingame, being held by too few players smacks of utter stupidity and no thinking going into the impact of their decisions.


https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/pacifier-enforcer-distribution-complete/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=news

And this article published yesterday says its per account registered to the email used, all it does is expand on the original wording, they never stated it was a single package per ticket nor that it didn't include all accounts owned by the person buying the ticket, you assumed one thing and they did a different thing


Reading is really not your strong point is it.

Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser.

In simple terms, purchase a fanfest ticket, get A Pacifier class frigate, purchase by a certain date and get A enforcer class cruiser.

In the English language, A refers to one, not multiples. Nothing assumed in there, its on the Eve News Article
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#87 - 2017-06-15 15:52:27 UTC
Erik Valensteed wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
FIX IT wrote:


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/


I just saw that, and you can find people who have had 'farms' going complaining already.

To me it's like rorquals and supercarriers and people injecting to get into them.



Can you please clarify what this response? Players can still skill inject int these skills to fly these ships. That is not an exploit. I thought it was a game mechanic.


Skill injecting isn't an exploit. It's just dumb how people rush into the 'next big thing' that's supposed to make isk without understand that CCP WILL eventually hammer it down, whether it's an exploit (ghost training) or something that isn't an exploit but is unbalanced.

Examples that were not exploits per se but that people complained about when CCP knowed them down:

High sec lvl 5 missions (was a bug, CCP took like 2 years to fix)

The original 250 mil per hour incursions (CCP nerfed after a couple month, then partially unnerfed a few months later)

The 2nd iteration of FW missions that let people make billions the 1st week (they nerfed these but you can still make lots of LP)

With skill injectors people jump whenever they hear of something that sounds lucrative, and this amplifies the problem. CCP used to have months before imbalances became painful, that has turned into days now...
Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2017-06-15 15:54:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Erik Valensteed wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
FIX IT wrote:


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/


I just saw that, and you can find people who have had 'farms' going complaining already.

To me it's like rorquals and supercarriers and people injecting to get into them.



Can you please clarify what this response? Players can still skill inject int these skills to fly these ships. That is not an exploit. I thought it was a game mechanic.


Skill injecting isn't an exploit. It's just dumb how people rush into the 'next big thing' that's supposed to make isk without understand that CCP WILL eventually hammer it down, whether it's an exploit (ghost training) or something that isn't an exploit but is unbalanced.

Examples that were not exploits per se but that people complained about when CCP knowed them down:

High sec lvl 5 missions (was a bug, CCP took like 2 years to fix)

The original 250 mil per hour incursions (CCP nerfed after a couple month, then partially unnerfed a few months later)

The 2nd iteration of FW missions that let people make billions the 1st week (they nerfed these but you can still make lots of LP)

With skill injectors people jump whenever they hear of something that sounds lucrative, and this amplifies the problem. CCP used to have months before imbalances became painful, that has turned into days now...


Ok, that makes sense now. Thank you
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#89 - 2017-06-15 15:59:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
FIX IT wrote:


ooo - ccp just declared ghost training an exploit
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-notification-ghost-training/


I just saw that, and you can find people who have had 'farms' going complaining already.


Ooooh, where? I wanna see!

I'm having trouble picturing even the average eve-o forum fungus being THAT audacious.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Caldari Phantom
We Got Beer
#90 - 2017-06-15 16:12:18 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


I was thinking about the ghost training, thats an exploit isnt it? The reedemed ships are just nonsense..
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#91 - 2017-06-15 16:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Max Trix
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Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2017-06-15 16:30:51 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
It is legit. Falcon has even confirmed it is working as intentional: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6h8e8d/eve_news_fanfest_pacifier_enforcer_distribution/diweh3k/?context=10000

:CCP Logic:

All the best to Falcon and the rest of the Community Management team over the next few days.

Last weekend will look like champagne and strawberries compared to the rage about to come.


Only thing I can wish is happy packing to all of CCP leadership on the way to the unemployment office. This level of incompetence and mistreatment of your own customers should cost you the job but I don't expect that to happen considering the quality of people on the CCP board.

At this point even EA buying out CCP would not ruin it much more than it already is.
Uthgaard
Because ISK
#93 - 2017-06-15 16:32:51 UTC
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Caldari Phantom wrote:
Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.

This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..

Fix it, and fix it fast..



Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets


I was thinking about the ghost training, thats an exploit isnt it? The reedemed ships are just nonsense..


Yes, it was declared an exploit. And now that classification is being used to silence all discussion, despite everyone already knowing exactly what ghost training is - hence the outrage.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#94 - 2017-06-15 16:33:59 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....

Business as usual.

These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of.


This is bordering on being worse than T20 especially since people who were already abusing ghost training are the ones that get even more rewarded now. Way to go CCP. That EA marketing is really paying off. Good luck at the unemployment office. You are going to need it considering the Icelands economy.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#95 - 2017-06-15 16:36:28 UTC
Axhind wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....

Business as usual.

These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of.


This is bordering on being worse than T20 especially since people who were already abusing ghost training are the ones that get even more rewarded now.



That part does grate a little bit, particularly given the rather underwhelming exploit declaration that seems to suggest that those who have already abused ghost training will be given a pass on any real repercussions, so long as they stop doing it now.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#96 - 2017-06-15 16:41:40 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Axhind wrote:
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....

Business as usual.

These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of.


This is bordering on being worse than T20 especially since people who were already abusing ghost training are the ones that get even more rewarded now.



That part does grate a little bit, particularly given the rather underwhelming exploit declaration that seems to suggest that those who have already abused ghost training will be given a pass on any real repercussions, so long as they stop doing it now.


Just think about how many extractors and injectors they sold thanks to that. Probably they made more € that way than on subs. Just that works as long as it is a small amount compared to the rest of the game. Who will buy injectors when everyone stops playing because they can't sit after CCP ****** them in the ass without lube.
CCP Falcon
#97 - 2017-06-15 18:36:44 UTC
Hey guys,

A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity
Smile

Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means.

In addition to this, I’ve just been speaking with our customer support team, and they’ve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those who’ve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued.

We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such we’ll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff.

Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. It’s been a tough week, but we’ll make sure that justice is served.

In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how we’ll be investigating this.

Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.

CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon

Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#98 - 2017-06-15 18:41:42 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity
Smile

Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means.

In addition to this, I’ve just been speaking with our customer support team, and they’ve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those who’ve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued.

We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such we’ll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff.

Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. It’s been a tough week, but we’ll make sure that justice is served.

In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how we’ll be investigating this.

Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.



Good to hear. And, hey! Here's a good opportunity to outright delete a chunk of that excess carrier ratting ISK that's been generated since Citadel.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Kixx
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#99 - 2017-06-15 18:42:34 UTC
So you basically are shooting the messenger and you really don't want people coming forward showing your errors.

The precedent is now set if you get away with something CCP blatantly overlooks then keep your mouth shut and collect.
Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2017-06-15 19:07:53 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Hey guys,

A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity
Smile

Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means.

In addition to this, I’ve just been speaking with our customer support team, and they’ve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those who’ve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued.

We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such we’ll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff.

Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. It’s been a tough week, but we’ll make sure that justice is served.

In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how we’ll be investigating this.

Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.


Please help me understand something. Developers designed and programmed a game. Some of your customers, who have, one way or the other, paid at least $16 USD per month to play, per account, figured out a way to use the program in a way You did not intend or foresee. This was not done through any software hack or scam, but used the system that you designed. Now you have discovered it and decided that your paying customer base is at fault because you failed to program the system correctly. A good business model would be to say, " we did not mean for that to happen and are changing the program." No harm/no foul. Taking isk/ships/etc. from the customer because you are at fault is inappropriate in my opinion. Unless plex somehow spawns in-game, you have receive a monetary payment for every omega subscription each month. Please explain why the players who used this "exploit" are going to lose items. How did they cost your company real money? How did they compromise your product? Are you going on advise of a sound business advisor, or a group of gamers that get butt hurt over changing the formula of Mountain Dew?