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Oi, Oi, Oi - CONCORD Ships

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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
#21 - 2017-06-15 11:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
RIP Eve, you glorious b****. Like I said many times earlier, I have no hard feelings against anyone, but I won't forget to **** on your grave as promised.

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Demonspawn 666
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2017-06-15 11:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Demonspawn 666
It's all good though.....

Right now CCP will be panicking and rushing through the code to give us all one or two of these ships so they can say they listened and they are fair.

Meanwhile.......

Completely missing the point as in doing that they crash the market for the ships, making them relatively worthless and the 1% who ghost trained hundreds of accounts have already cashed in at the top of the market and got richer.


Very very well trolled CCP!
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CowQueen MMXII
#23 - 2017-06-15 11:05:17 UTC
Yesterday, I was a little upset because CCP was giving away skins for free that I bought for good money a while ago.
Today, .... well, I would like to rage about this, but it's just so unbelievably stupid, I just can't.

Moo! Uddersucker, moo!

Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2017-06-15 11:06:32 UTC
BRB buying stock in popcorn manufacturers.

A signature :o

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#25 - 2017-06-15 11:11:26 UTC
Kixx
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2017-06-15 11:12:11 UTC
I do not want to have to own 100 free accounts, but you are forcing us down this path.

For a game that promotes scamming, it sure seems like the people running this place get scammed by the playerbase regularly.
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#27 - 2017-06-15 11:13:57 UTC
Demonspawn 666 wrote:
It's all good though.....

Right now CCP will be panicking and rushing through the code to give us all one or two of these ships so they can say they listened and they are fair.

Meanwhile.......

Completely missing the point as in doing that they crash the market for the ships, making them relatively worthless and the 1% who ghost trained hundreds of accounts have already cashed in at the top of the market and got richer.


Very very well trolled CCP!
P


No they won't, the release article clearly states that ships were given to each account that was registered to the email address used to purchase a fanfest ticket, they knew exactly what would happen

"These ships should now be in your redeeming system, one package of ships for each account registered to your email address."

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/pacifier-enforcer-distribution-complete/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=news

Working exactly as intended, players set the prices for these ships anyway, if nobody buys them the value goes down until people do start buying them :P
Black Pedro
Mine.
#28 - 2017-06-15 11:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Demonspawn 666 wrote:
It's all good though.....

Right now CCP will be panicking and rushing through the code to give us all one or two of these ships so they can say they listened and they are fair.

Meanwhile.......

Completely missing the point as in doing that they crash the market for the ships, making them relatively worthless and the 1% who ghost trained hundreds of accounts have already cashed in at the top of the market and got richer.


Very very well trolled CCP!
P
I can only assume that crashing the price of these ships was the intention of linking it to accounts, but Lordy, what a tone-deaf thing to do. It looks terrible to reward one person who sat in a seat at FanFest with 2 free ships, and the person next to him with 50 because he was a multi-boxer or SP farmer or whatever. Maybe if it was tied to Omega status you could try to make a case (although you would still look greedy for doing so), but as it is you have various FanFest attendees being awarded with a number of ships with a variance of one or two magnitudes, based on nothing but how many accounts they have set up which looks horribly unfair.

They should have just given 10 or 20 ships to each person if they wanted to keep the cost down initially. This unequal distribution appears unfair, actually is unfair, and serves no discernible purpose to me. Do they really want us to each make a hundred-plus empty accounts to maximize the amount of future give-aways we receive?

I can't believe no-one on the development team saw the trouble this decision was going to lead to. With human nature what is it, the uproar was entirely predictable and avoidable. They somehow managed to take a kind gesture that should have bought them goodwill and turned into another PR headache.

People will get over this minor fracas faster than some of your other recent missteps CCP, but seriously, you guys need to up your game and stop making these mistakes. You have burnt a lot of goodwill in recent years and you can't afford to waste any more with fumbles like this one.

Edit: You know, while I think we all appreciate little gifts like this from time-to-time as long as they are distributed fairly, this brouhaha underscores why CCP really should take a hands-off approach to messing with the economics of the sandbox. SKINs and vanity items are one thing, but when items with real utility and value are being spawned into the universe, CCP should be very careful that there is no appearance they are doing this unfairly. Is this the same type of dev meddling that led to the creation of the CSM in the first place?

CSM, care to comment on these recent events?
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#29 - 2017-06-15 11:19:03 UTC
Its hard to believe that they forgot about Alphas and Every SP farmer out there. It looks like they just dont care.
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2017-06-15 11:19:11 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Demonspawn 666 wrote:
It's all good though.....

Right now CCP will be panicking and rushing through the code to give us all one or two of these ships so they can say they listened and they are fair.

Meanwhile.......

Completely missing the point as in doing that they crash the market for the ships, making them relatively worthless and the 1% who ghost trained hundreds of accounts have already cashed in at the top of the market and got richer.


Very very well trolled CCP!
P


No they won't, the release article clearly states that ships were given to each account that was registered to the email address used to purchase a fanfest ticket, they knew exactly what would happen

"These ships should now be in your redeeming system, one package of ships for each account registered to your email address."

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/pacifier-enforcer-distribution-complete/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=news

Working exactly as intended, players set the prices for these ships anyway, if nobody buys them the value goes down until people do start buying them :P



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Mark Marconi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2017-06-15 11:19:40 UTC
A wise man confesses when he is wrong,

A fool defends his actions.

Is it any surprise what path CCP has taken.

The CSM gets in the way of CCP communicating properly with the players of this game.

After all we are not just players, we are customers.

Time for the CSM to be disbanded.

Uthgaard
Because ISK
#32 - 2017-06-15 11:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Uthgaard
Eternity Mistseeker wrote:
So this was intentional, and not incompetence?


They're not mutually exclusive. This was intentional because incompetence.

For anyone who isn't up to speed, here's this week in review:

First their QA guy (responsible for getting things right) botches a script and halts skill training for paid subscribers instead of ghost training alphas.

Then they gave a free pass to everyone who exploited ghost training for billions of sp for sale and self-injection (thread locked without a response).

Then they reward those exploiters with hundreds of Concord ships, worth trillions of isk collectively.

Then CCP Falcon says with a snide smirk that it's not a mistake, but intentional. That spits directly in the face of nearly every EVE philosophy.

Then, they launch an event that floods the game with a large number of high value items, crashing all respective markets.

EVE's wealth distribution was already consolidated into just a few hands, but now that curve will be even sharper. I guess CCP wanted to see how closely they could imitate the US economy.

If we equate the price of PLEX to a living wage, then the similarities are even more relevant, as the average player's buying power just went straight down the shitter. As a result, fewer players will be able to afford PLEX, and large numbers of paid players are reporting decisions to unsubscribe - commonly citing that continuing would be a waste of time. And that's a reasonable sentiment, as this series of trainwrecks has just crashed the value of ISK, time, and even character development.

I'm not just saying this to be dramatic, I'm honestly a bit stunned and feel as if I've just witnessed a murder, and EVE was the victim.

I've seen some screw-ups, but this is historical - even legendary. Great job CCP.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#33 - 2017-06-15 11:22:27 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Working exactly as intended, players set the prices for these ships anyway, if nobody buys them the value goes down until people do start buying them :P

Certainly working as implemented. Whether that was the original understanding and intent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6hdu1f/i_am_99_sure_it_is_meant_to_be_one_concord_ship/

Intentional, not equitable** and not necessarily the same as originally advertised.

** There is no requirement for things to be equitable between people that bought tickets. CCP can do what they like. At the same time, whether that is ok or not is up to everyone individually to decide. My feeling is the community on the whole will be pissed about this.

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#34 - 2017-06-15 11:22:53 UTC
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#35 - 2017-06-15 11:36:46 UTC
This self-destructive behaviour is starting to scare me tbh

CCP it is ok to say that you need help

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q

Sethyrh Nakrar
#36 - 2017-06-15 11:49:34 UTC
They did WHAT? LOL
Sorry, but........
Why not gift them to everyone.....
*Still laughts like crazy!*

Seriously. CCP. WTF?

Praise the Omnissiah!

Ergum Motsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2017-06-15 11:50:42 UTC
So it was intentional to distribute these ships at the rate of 2 per account that each ticket holder has linked to the purchasing e-mail address - what utter bull crap this game become.

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/fanfest-2017-tickets-are-selling-fast-last-few-days-to-claim-the-enforcer/ this link detailing that "Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser." This advert does not stipulate it will be one of each ship per account, but merely 1 of each ship per ticket purchased.

CCP have right royally screwed over their own reputation, as well as making any future adverts they run not worth taking notice of.

Then theres the whole skin issue, recently lunched Hazard Control skins for minmatar ships at almost double the cost of the Sungrazer skins for Gallente hulls - why? No standard pricing? or is it because there are more Nyx's in game than Hel's, therefore you're selling more skins to get the same revenue? Has EvE now officially become pay to win?

I wont even get started on the Eve 2nd decade Collectors box sets that CCP seem to have given up promoting further content for despite saying at the time that additional content would become available, even if it was llimited edition clothing outfirts for the characters, skins for ships.

I neither bought the box sets nor the fanfest tickets, and the rate at which CCP seem to screw things up, I wont be tempted to buy things from them in the future.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#38 - 2017-06-15 11:52:03 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Demonspawn 666 wrote:
It's all good though.....

Right now CCP will be panicking and rushing through the code to give us all one or two of these ships so they can say they listened and they are fair.

Meanwhile.......

Completely missing the point as in doing that they crash the market for the ships, making them relatively worthless and the 1% who ghost trained hundreds of accounts have already cashed in at the top of the market and got richer.


Very very well trolled CCP!
P


No they won't, the release article clearly states that ships were given to each account that was registered to the email address used to purchase a fanfest ticket, they knew exactly what would happen

"These ships should now be in your redeeming system, one package of ships for each account registered to your email address."

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/pacifier-enforcer-distribution-complete/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=news

Working exactly as intended, players set the prices for these ships anyway, if nobody buys them the value goes down until people do start buying them :P


My personal understanding is that these ships were never intended to be "rare." I believe it was during the EvE Vegas closing ceremonies CCP said so. Check the 16:25 mark.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=15m3s&v=FARkDDbSRFs

ISD Max Trix

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Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#39 - 2017-06-15 11:55:28 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Cypherous wrote:
Working exactly as intended, players set the prices for these ships anyway, if nobody buys them the value goes down until people do start buying them :P

Certainly working as implemented. Whether that was the original understanding and intent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6hdu1f/i_am_99_sure_it_is_meant_to_be_one_concord_ship/

Intentional, not equitable** and not necessarily the same as originally advertised.

** There is no requirement for things to be equitable between people that bought tickets. CCP can do what they like. At the same time, whether that is ok or not is up to everyone individually to decide. My feeling is the community on the whole will be pissed about this.



All offers are subject to change, its an added bonus, they gave out more ships than people were expecting, can't really complain about rewards being overfunded, the only issue is if there were people who did NOT get atleast 1 of the promised ships, as stated the article on the launcher clearly states its per account registered to the email that purchased the ticket, 1 package of ships per account, which is still in line, they never stated it would be one package for one account per purchase
Demonspawn 666
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2017-06-15 11:56:15 UTC
2 dank ticks lost due to servers crashing....

Can we all be refunded at 260mil/tick for the lost ticks ccp?
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