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You have been misinformed. An Orca mines less than half what a Hulk does fully boosted, and barely beats out an un-boosted no-implant Skiff before drone travel is taken into account (and before the T2 mining drone changes coming up).



You only need to fully mine an Anomaly if you run out of other stuff to mine before it naturally despawns and respawns after a few days. Since an anomaly has enough ore in it to feed several Rorquals for a couple of days and there are multiple Ore Anoms per fully upgraded system you only need to fully mine one out if you have enough Rorquals mining a single system that you literally run out of other stuff to mine before one despawns.

Since the majority of players aren't massive multiboxers and don't play 23/7 this is going to be fairly common. Certainly common enough that the distribution of ore flooding onto the market isn't going to exactly match the composition of Null Sec Ore Anoms.



Your first solution here is basically power-creep. It also relies largely on whatever CCP introduce adding enough of a *new* mineral sink (as in, not one that just replaces an already existing one) to absorb all of the minerals coming into the game. This is if not outright impractical then economically difficult, because players need to be able to afford to buy the new thing and everyone only has so much disposable income, which is generally rationed between available options. So if you introduce some new hot item consumption of other goods is likely to drop at least slightly in response to the shift in consumption.

Not impossible by any means, but certainly somewhat impractical, especially since whatever CCP might introduce would A. take time to design and balance, and B. need to be attractive enough that everyone goes out and builds/buys it in large enough sustained quantities to make up for the increased mineral production.

As for spawn rates, this assumes that anoms actually need to be fully mined to respawn (they don't) and that the problem here is bottleneck minerals and not an overall glut of ore, which is pretty demonstrably not the case or Mex would be going through the roof instead of leveling off and apparently dropping in the last month.

Also, this is just my personal bet here, but I think CCP will take a few hundred Rorqual pilots who weren't particularly loyal subscribers over the number of High Sec mining and industry accounts they'd lose if the price of minerals drops enough that people without Rorquals can't really afford PLEX...

Thanks for clearing up the orca point-seems I was misinformed if that's the case.



Going to end my involvement at this point as you seem to have absolutely no idea on nullsec mining and what exactly is happening out here. Good luck with the remainder of your arguments which are well put but inaccutate at best, delusional at worst.

i checked SISI today , yeah you increased the Mining Range from Hulks now , but the Maximum Target Range is Still at 35KM .

even with Max skills you cant reach the Full Mining Range , since the Maximum Target range from the ship is limited.

so CCP please Adjust the Range from the Ships too

One of the wonders of working on a 14 year old game is that many bits of functionality are actually implemented multiple times in separate ways. The EVE server actually records mining events in three ways that I have found so far (there very well may be more) and although one of them doesn't record drone mining, the other two do. For instance, this is why sov industry indexes are getting the data from drone mining. This did indeed cause some confusion immediately after release.
We plan to get around to fixing the "info events" mining records that the monthly public report uses and honestly hoped that we would have found time to fix it earlier but other tasks have managed to take priority from it so far. Since CCP Quant's time is so valuable and the fix to the info events logs has been perpetually "around the corner" we haven't rewritten the newsletter counter to use one of the other log sources.
TL:DR is that we do indeed have data for drone mining, as well as data for ore/mineral stockpiles and industry jobs.


So I’ll start with the disclaimer that EVE we don’t try and define every use that players will have for a tool we give them. We tend to build tools with at least one or two core uses and expect players to find more.
The core role we designed the new Rorqual for was quite clearly stated in the dev blog announcing it. It was built to be a mining foreman ship, providing a number of valuable benefits to a group of mining ships. Each of these benefits may or may not be considered "enough" to justify the ship by themselves but the goal is that together they represent more than the sum of their parts. Direct mining ability is one of these features but so is support for other miners and defense for the fleet.
So the shorter version of the answer is that although we have no problem with people solo mining in Rorquals (as long as their yields aren't harming the overall economy), the core "victory condition" for the mining foreman ship designs would be for mining fleets to want at least one mining foreman ship as part of the mix and for the Rorqual to be an interesting and viable option for that boosting/defending/mining combined role.


This is less rage than I expected tbh.

I don’t know exactly how much it’ll help to say this, but let me state the following as directly as I can:
We don’t make balance choices in an attempt to “bait and switch” people with injectors. We here at CCP are not evil geniuses playing 12 dimensional chess. We’re approaching ship design and balancing in exactly the same way that we did before the introduction of skill injectors, with the goal of creating a fun set of tools and choices for players to interact with.

When we developed the original design for the Ascension Rorqual changes we stated our goals honestly in the dev blog. We wanted to create a distinct “mining foreman” role that players would enjoy playing and that would have a clear progression with three ships that are all viable in different situations and at different price points.
One of the big areas of uncertainty when making a design like that one is the question of how strong you need to make aspects of a ship in order for players to consider it worth the risk. We had an extra wrinkle with the Rorqual since it was a pre-existing ship that had developed a stigma around it. We knew there would be inertia involved in player behavior that might cause the ship to remain underused if it ended up “just barely good enough”. We also knew that we didn’t have complete information about what that “just barely good enough” level was going to be, since we can only estimate the player behavior around changes like this.
We knew ahead of time that we’d very...

CCP Fozzie, there is a way around this. It would work for both mining drones and lasers.
When a cycle ends, the amount of ore in the asteroid is checked. The length of the next cycle is then adjusted so that the asteroid is exactly mined out on that next cycle. One issue: The code that adjusts the last cycle length must make an assumption on how fast the asteroid is being mined. The easiest thing to do is assume that just your ship is mining the asteroid. Example: if my drones are doing 1000 cu m/minute, and the roid has 600 cu m left, the last cycle is set to 36 seconds (irrelevant of who else is mining the same roid.)

@ccp fozzie
please just change the industrial core and panic moduals to have the same EW capacitor usage as Network sensor array and Triage modual, since the industrial core has the same effect as a triage modual, it should have the same penalty to e-war.

this alone should resolve the issue with jump hic's without crippling the rorquals other options.

Pretty much this.

I rarely post in forums....its usually not worth the effort

However

I have been a Rorqual pilot for over 5 years and like many others I waited patiently for CCP to fix it so that it did not have to sit in a POS and do nothing but boost

Fozzie and many others went on record saying we know the Rorqual is broken its gonna be great some day .....fast forward to 2016.

You gave us a fantastically expensive loot pinata to siege rocks with....fine

Then Fozzie said wait...this is far too good.. so he took some back....hence the first change.

Now Fozzie says....we dont want you flying fleets of Rorquals so we are going to hammer it again.

Now its a Capital Boosting ship again....on grid with siege ....only 1 will be needed for that so 100's of rorqual pilots might as well look for other jobs. Corps will only need 1 or 2 and now they can be corp assets. (Excavators are not even worth commenting on)

I am not angry or raging....i got past that when i realized that its my own fault for actually believing....I drank the Cool aid and it has surely killed me....

So Fozzie i want to thank you for fixing my Rorqual....i just hope the next owner enjoys it.

Good for you ....luv to see goons getting ahead in EVE

Of course you realize this wont be the last Rorqual nerf....or did you drink the cool aid too?

I still want an ORE titan. Not joking.