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Simple opinion

If just allowing caps to enter sites than i am against it mostly due to hp pools those ships are bringing in vs rats that did not get designed around those numbers.

If changing sites to accommodate caps fleet than yes please do them and thank you for actually changing incursions.

I don't see why there couldn't be a test run for a few months to see what the communities do to see if it would be an actual issue.

Without breaking open EFT to see what's what specifically right now, my initial feeling is the only threat a Triaged FAX would face, would be the Outunis. But really the Outunis that spawn in assaults are not an issue because they spawn far enough away from the beacon that they can be killed before they get into neut range by a competent fleet. The same is true for TPPH and NRF. This leaves TCRCs to be the only threat where the Outunis spawn close enough to apply neut pressure. But this can be avoided by preloading the TCRC on purpose, and sending in your anchor to secure the Outuni agro before the FAXes get sent in.

From there, the PVP threat I would see is catching someone that took a gate late, or wasn't aligned quite right so they had to realign down the gate and getting pointed and dropped on by a T3 covert cyno fleet.

Also the logistics for groups that wanted to farm lowsec incursions with moving their capitals around, when you factor in jump fatigue, largely out scales subcap logistics. Even if you were not lighting cynos, you are forced to stick to lowsec routes. Groups would probably want half a dozen capitals seeded around so they wouldn't have to move their capitals to the opposite side of New Eden to run on a regular basis.

So to sum it all up, until I take a detailed and hard look at this, I'm not seeing a large issue with doing a test run for a few months just to see what happens because I'm not seeing this becoming a normal thing people do.

This is why i like Sansha npc missions.
LP are worthless (unless running broken burner sites), currently all isk is in the tags.
You need to guard your MTU, or hunt for someone MTU to get True reward.

There is almost 0 risk to any non-cruiser in incursions. If you look at how most people fit incursion ships, it's literally as paper-tanked as you can get, while still having enough resists that logi can rep you.

VGs tend to use a 1-3 slot tank (Yes, some groups just use a rig for their tank, they are very good)
HQs tend to use a 4-5 slot tank. (Rig, DC, 2 adaptive invuls)

And even with these setups, most groups have close to 0 losses. Most often you'll lose a logi every couple hours to every couple days. Your biggest problem is logi not applying reps to people fast enough and/or people not broadcasting on time, and you'll still have that problem.

My earlier posts cover how it won't be totally overpowered for DPS, since you'll have to travel in these sites. Caps can replace some of the ships currently used, and may be faster, but the travel time keeps enough bottlenecks in place that you won't see sites normally done in 15 minutes done in 2. What will likely happen is something what you can do in hisec with 40 people in 15 minutes, can be done in low/null by 30 people in 15 minutes, or 60 people in 12 minutes. But it won't be stupidly OP.

I do agree that's a problem with incursions, across the board, all locations, not just hisec or nullsec. I just think we should be able to risk another type of ship.

The fact that incursions are far too risk free with their high reward is a whole different question. I've got suggestions for that, but I'm trying to stay on-topic.

Ever since CCP buffed the fleet size for low/null there has been a basically full time Low Sec incursion fleet taking advantage of the over 200% payout for the fleet relative to Highsec. There is no reason the various Null groups couldn't also be doing the same when incursions land in their area of space. Most of them just chose not to.

Well you could always have a Faction Warfare style signup to join Sansha and allow people who do to freely attack anyone running the sites, even in HiSec. Adds the risk back in.

Fozzy. I'd Love to start running Titan boosts for incursion fleets in hisec. Just allow caps and supers into hisec and delete cynos. for serious. Me would love you long time.

But erm.... Without spider tanking non-triage carriers? Capital Incursions in lowsec & null only? You expect peeps to go and enjoy this with those crappy FAX hulls as much as they farm hisec sites? lolz Fozzy, you funny.

But I'm going to make a few points about this:

1) Incursion communities tend to favor Turret systems (instant high levels of dps) over missile / drone platform ships (The exceptions being sentry drones on myrms / domies). The missiles don't apply damage well enough to those fast moving rats, in addition to the range those rats can start engaging at compared to the low damage longer range missiles we get in eve presently. In this respect, the only capital ships that would be able to fill a role would be the Phoenix (or even the Leviathan), provided there is webbing support (rapiers, huggins, lokis, bhalgorns, ashimus Vigilances or Vindis) in the fleet assisting with the webbing actions to slow down rats enough (and target paint them enough) for the capital missiles to be of use.

Sentry drones are much more useful (fantastic in large numbers), but with most drone bay sizes being what they are, flying anything except myrms and battleships (read domis / rattlesnakes) that can field 3 or more, the dps loss (esp for small fleets) isn't worth the effort (and time) of putting up with the hassle of running the sites. Now if we could still have pre-citadel carriers with sentry drones? Yea sure... no problem.

2) Dreadnoughts.
With the old anti-structure / anti-capital guns, these will be useless (both in siege and out of siege) to hit frigate sized rats that aren't webbed or TPd et mass due in large part to the way guns work in eve (projectile size / target size / tracking / sig radius / transversals / av et al). The new HAW weapons will most likely work a whole lot better against sansha rats, but again, your limiting the engagement range to 25-45km and giving caps insane locking times because of low scan res values (the whole "why should a capital ship target stuff as fast as a frigate / cruiser / BS" argument that forms the basis of rifters online).

More over, your forcing the dreads to go into siege to use HAWs.... which implies no remote repairs (in incursion sites... have you ever run any of these yourselves? no logi when you need reps = deadmeat) and those rats will chew through capital EHP like there's no day after the day after tomorrow. So in my opinion, unless there is a fundamental shift in the way siege works (for example, by allowing remote repairs from FAXs in triage / siege - by adding a -ewar resistance value so to speak to a ship in siege and then gimping the reps received from FAX's in triage to say 50% effectiveness of what they get if not in siege) Dreads wont see allot of action in incursion sites. Sure - people use them to farm sleepers in wormholes and claim they farm 3 bil isk an hour. Sleepers are not sansha rats. a single dread with a local repper will be able to tank sleepers.... I'd love to see that dread last against sansha in a whole incursion site with its local tank and no support. Esp when the neuts start coming in and you run out of cap charges for your shiny new capital ASB / ARR.

So again (given the points above), I'd expect to see the phoenix used (if any dreads get usage at all).

3) Carriers / Super carriers.
With the new drones being what they are, I'd expect superiority fighters to do 90% of the work in incursion sites. But those drones being as weak and feeble as they are, and not having the ability to "assign them" or to "set their default behavior such as passive / aggressive etc), running incursion sites with the new fighter mechanism will be a painfull process. And why risk a super carrier at such an increased cost when a normal carrier can do the same job for a fraction of the price and still make you want to slash your wrists and goto hisec to farm in sub caps.

More over, no more spider tanking non triage carriers. Death sentence for whoever needs to play logi (FAX) if they get room agro (hint, sansha's like primarying logi ships that run more than 3 reps).

What I do see working is carriers supported by conventional incursion fleets and sub capital logi (that surprisingly, is good game design to allow fast moving non triage logi to spider tank based on the foundation (not ceiling) of limited hit-points.... /rant) sitting hundreds of kms off the entry points of sites, sniping rat waves with fighters and LR turrets.

Super carrier super weapons will mean next to nothing in the existing incursion sites.

4) Titans:
The new hack and slash / straight line & AoE doomsdays will most likely be a focus point for these sites. If those doomsdays take out rats in their path, then:
1) 3-4 titans will clear VG sites in about as long as it takes each titan to take the gate into the site and set off a doomsday.
2) 3-9 titans will clear AS sites in about as long as it takes each titan to take the gate into the site and set off a doomsday.
3) 3-12 titans will clear HQ sites in about as long as it takes each titan to take the gate into the site and set off a doomsday, then slowboat to the next accel gate and the subsequent rooms. /rinse & repeat.

If the DDs dont work, then we'll see tracking titans of both shield and armor varieties, using HAWs to clear rooms. Given the crappyness of FAX's that can't rep each other in triage (due to crap capital / super capital game design imo), I'd expect sub capital logi wings to escort these titans. This will definitely attract pvp attention et mass... so again, it will be less incursion farming, more pew pew / more risk / more people not bothering unless the entire constellation is locked down tighter than goonswarms hold on the northern portion of eve (derp).

5) FAXes.
Just allow them to...

i think people are forgetting the fact that capitals are incredibly slow when it comes to warp times so i have a feeling in most cases it would just be way more effective ISK per hour wise to just do it in battleships/T3's regardless of the amount of DPS and EHP they have.

Even when the CFC owned the entire north and western side of the map, we only had a spawn about 1 out of every 3 weeks. Post phoebe, when we gave up the Cloud Ring and down, it took it to one in every 4 weeks on average. We'd have little spurts of 2-3 back to back, then go 3 months without one.