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As a 208mill SP toon, I disapprove this.
Something should be done yes but not this way.

Do you want to remove the *option* to play for free so you won't have to tell new player not to try that? I'm not sure of your point.



I am not sure how this will work really. It would have to be somewhat less than the cost of training 2 characters at once I would think because you are getting less sp than a month training. Plus they are diminishing what you get.

In the end I am not sure what the big deal is. Given the high cost of everything in the aurum store I doubt many people will use this. But if CCP wants to make some extra money it seems reasonable.

I do however think it is obnoxious to give loyal players who presumably have more skillpoints a worse deal then the newer crowd. Are they *trying* to get vets to unsub?

*Shrug*

The idea alone is enough to kill Eve for me. What's the point ? this proposed change along with Windows 1984 ( Windows 10 ) being released I might as well explore Eve equivalents for Linux.

Please CCP say you're not going to do this. Hell kill the Bazaar completely while you're at it. Please keep the sandbox a level playing field. And roll back Incarna too while you're at it. I still haven't spent my Aurum in protest.

My point is that these ~options~ can and will make new players form unrealistic goals which only end up cutting into their enjoyment of the game.


In this system someone is still using gametime to train the sp being sold on the market. Even if the skill extractor was free, a month's worth of training can't cost any less than a month's worth of gametime.

Not bad Dave, I like the use of proxies here. Now, looking at your ~40 packets costing ~12 billion this could be used by the very, very rich to gain quite a bit of SP. There are players with sickening amounts of ISK and they could easily afford an entire year’s worth of SP (~144 billion ISK).

Thus, it seems to me this policy will run smack into Malcanis’ Law.

we've already dispelled that one - this change isn't aimed at new players.

if a new player wants to open their wallet - it benefits them even more than "rich" players.as for the same £$£$ cost they will get more sp than an older player with equally deep pockets.

edit: csm member mike also just worked out it'd cost just over 220 USD to buy a decent subcap pilot, pilots which are currently trading on the bazzar for a fraction of that price.

https://mikeazariah.wordpress.com/2015/10/16/csm-mike-does-maths/#comment-5420

So we should make it even easier?

All buffing faucets will do is cause PLEX to go up even more, as the supply of ISK/etc will rise.

Do you have any actual numbers on the amount of players that are left due to IRL/economic/currency exchange issues versus the players that left because of mechanics changes? Even so, if there were not as many game play reasons why people were leaving, those same people might be inclined to purchase PLEX over in game grinding, and thus make it easier and cheaper to PLEX.

Fix the in game reasons for people leaving, which I think at this point you will agree one of them may be SP but not a huge one, and PLEX may actually go down, as there are more people who want spaceships but don't have the time to grind.

Letting some people buy SP won't fill the universe with the life it needs, it will just let people of means get instant gratification. A few will have their SP faster, and the rest will have the bar set that much higher.

Wow, people coming out against this are really going off the rails. Jump clones and incarna and Windows '84. Wow.

I agree with Dave Stark on this. Zero difference between this and char bazaar. I understand Tippia's point from earlier, but I don't think it holds. The bottom line is that regardless of the character the skills are assigned to, the bazaar system immediately puts the player in possession of an arbitrary number of skill points, and with the volume on the bazaar being what it is and the fact that people train chars with the express intent of selling them, it's not like you're rolling the dice when you buy one.

End result is the identical: spend the money, get the SP you want.

This isn't pay to win. If this were the only way to gain SP, or if these bought SP could give you magical level 6 or 10 in a skill, and that's the only way to get there, okay. Fine. But this isn't that. There's a usefulness cap on SP for any given ship you are flying. Nothing about that has changed.

I don't know if this has been suggested yet, so apologies if I'm repeating anyone:

I think that there should also be diminishing returns when CREATING these neural packets using an extractor, but in reverse order. In other words, characters with higher skill point totals would be able to convert more of their unneeded skill points into unallocated ones, whereas newer characters would see a much less efficient conversion rate. I think this would help to discourage alt farming of excess skill points, and encourage newer players to stick with the decisions they've made unless they're truly willing to pay the price for it. Additionally, that way if someone were looking to sell off their character entirely by liquidating ALL the SP in it, it would become less and less profitable to do so the more SP you sell, meaning it would still be better to sell a character as a whole on the bazaar rather than piecemeal through the new system.

I do have a concern with the flood of SP that would initially be on the market once this feature is released. I forsee tons of long-unsubbed accounts being reactivated for just one month so that their SP can be liquidated down to the 5 million minimum, and everyone rushing to buy up all this excess SP like a California Land Rush while there's still plenty to be had. Perhaps we could consider a maximum amount of SP that are able to be extracted and injected per day/week/month? With something like a jump clone timer to help keep track? This seems like it would be a good compromise between the old system (where you had to wait for skill to be fully trained) and the new proposed system (where a new character can effictively reach the same level as a 3 year old character in a matter of hours if he had enough isk), at least until the effects can be better assessed.

And finally, I'm a little concerned about the effect this would have on skill training implants and vice versa. Would we see the need and therefor the value of these implants diminish? Or would they become even more important for those trying to farm SP? And would the drop rates of these implants be adjusted to compensate? What about characters who are injecting SP packets into their clones that have implants in them already? Would a 500,000 packet be boosted somehow if you had a full set of +5's in your head? I wouldn't think so, but it's not something that was addressed in the OP so I'd like to see that point clarified.