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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#141 - 2015-08-04 19:23:11 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Lim Yoona wrote:
Icycle wrote:
a ceptor is easy to catch

Yeah ok. I'd like to see you catch this guy https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/387379738/

We will call this exhibit A. folks. Here we see the uncatchable interceptor in its natural habitat. It warps in less than 2 seconds, you cant catch it on a gate, its nullified and even if you point it, it burns out of range and warps away. Enough dps to kill from battleship on down, tech 3's included. Thanks Fozzie.


He obviously is doing this with implants, possibly faction fits and possibly a booster. So its safe to say he put a lot of bling to it.
So get a ship with a fast look, get faction sebos, get expensive implants, get booster. Voila. You got to go to extreme with extreme setups. He is not good just cos he is in an interceptor. He is good cus he went to extremes to get like that. So you got to go extremes to catch him. You have to counter extreme with extreme unless he makes a mistake some where

Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink


You do realise nothing in the game can catch a <2 second warp inty unless an error was made or you smartbomb a random gate right?
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2015-08-04 19:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Lim Yoona wrote:
Icycle wrote:
a ceptor is easy to catch

Yeah ok. I'd like to see you catch this guy https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/387379738/

We will call this exhibit A. folks. Here we see the uncatchable interceptor in its natural habitat. It warps in less than 2 seconds, you cant catch it on a gate, its nullified and even if you point it, it burns out of range and warps away. Enough dps to kill from battleship on down, tech 3's included. Thanks Fozzie.


He obviously is doing this with implants, possibly faction fits and possibly a booster. So its safe to say he put a lot of bling to it.
So get a ship with a fast look, get faction sebos, get expensive implants, get booster. Voila. You got to go to extreme with extreme setups. He is not good just cos he is in an interceptor. He is good cus he went to extremes to get like that. So you got to go extremes to catch him. You have to counter extreme with extreme unless he makes a mistake some where

Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink


You do realise nothing in the game can catch a <2 second warp inty unless an error was made or you smartbomb a random gate right?


ROFL.
Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink
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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2015-08-04 20:25:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Icycle wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Lim Yoona wrote:
Icycle wrote:
a ceptor is easy to catch

Yeah ok. I'd like to see you catch this guy https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/387379738/

We will call this exhibit A. folks. Here we see the uncatchable interceptor in its natural habitat. It warps in less than 2 seconds, you cant catch it on a gate, its nullified and even if you point it, it burns out of range and warps away. Enough dps to kill from battleship on down, tech 3's included. Thanks Fozzie.


He obviously is doing this with implants, possibly faction fits and possibly a booster. So its safe to say he put a lot of bling to it.
So get a ship with a fast look, get faction sebos, get expensive implants, get booster. Voila. You got to go to extreme with extreme setups. He is not good just cos he is in an interceptor. He is good cus he went to extremes to get like that. So you got to go extremes to catch him. You have to counter extreme with extreme unless he makes a mistake some where

Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink


You do realise nothing in the game can catch a <2 second warp inty unless an error was made or you smartbomb a random gate right?


ROFL.
Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink
*snip*Kill mail links removed. Do not post Killmails on GD*snip*

Do you want even more?


1- Probably died in a site and not on a gate as per the guristas cruise missile damage.
2 and 3 - Not insta warp fit so does not counter my quoted argument.
4- In a site after getting his kill His target ended the fight in a pod
5- Smartbomb
6- Dire Pithi = in a site so not on a gate
7- Drone auto-aggro? Seriously, a BS can't lock fast enough and you know it.

So basically, NONE of the presented kill feature a troll ceptor designed to get inside a system without being catched since NONE of them has an entosis link.

Is this thread about SOV experience or about random ratter hunting? I though it was about the player experience in the new SOV system but I might be wrong...
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#144 - 2015-08-04 20:42:50 UTC
hunting ratters is sov nowadays

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#145 - 2015-08-04 21:00:09 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Lim Yoona wrote:
Icycle wrote:
a ceptor is easy to catch

Yeah ok. I'd like to see you catch this guy https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/387379738/

We will call this exhibit A. folks. Here we see the uncatchable interceptor in its natural habitat. It warps in less than 2 seconds, you cant catch it on a gate, its nullified and even if you point it, it burns out of range and warps away. Enough dps to kill from battleship on down, tech 3's included. Thanks Fozzie.


He obviously is doing this with implants, possibly faction fits and possibly a booster. So its safe to say he put a lot of bling to it.
So get a ship with a fast look, get faction sebos, get expensive implants, get booster. Voila. You got to go to extreme with extreme setups. He is not good just cos he is in an interceptor. He is good cus he went to extremes to get like that. So you got to go extremes to catch him. You have to counter extreme with extreme unless he makes a mistake some where

Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink

You do realise nothing in the game can catch a <2 second warp inty unless an error was made or you smartbomb a random gate right?

You do realize that you don't have to catch anything to defend?

Just checking.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#146 - 2015-08-04 21:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Goalpost shifter.

Yakkitysaxsov is the best, no doubt about it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2015-08-04 21:14:59 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Lim Yoona wrote:
Icycle wrote:
a ceptor is easy to catch

Yeah ok. I'd like to see you catch this guy https://beta.eve-kill.net/character/387379738/

We will call this exhibit A. folks. Here we see the uncatchable interceptor in its natural habitat. It warps in less than 2 seconds, you cant catch it on a gate, its nullified and even if you point it, it burns out of range and warps away. Enough dps to kill from battleship on down, tech 3's included. Thanks Fozzie.


He obviously is doing this with implants, possibly faction fits and possibly a booster. So its safe to say he put a lot of bling to it.
So get a ship with a fast look, get faction sebos, get expensive implants, get booster. Voila. You got to go to extreme with extreme setups. He is not good just cos he is in an interceptor. He is good cus he went to extremes to get like that. So you got to go extremes to catch him. You have to counter extreme with extreme unless he makes a mistake some where

Oh look, he has been caught before....hmm i wonder how its ever be possible??? Blink

You do realise nothing in the game can catch a <2 second warp inty unless an error was made or you smartbomb a random gate right?

You do realize that you don't have to catch anything to defend?

Just checking.


You kinda do if you want to prevent trolling. Your sov will not be in real danger but you will always get notification about structure X in system Y being attacked. If you could catch the damn thing and kill it, you might get some relief on that. In the current implementation, you can defend against troll but trolling is just plain wrong in the first place imo. I realize it's a sandbox and people will play the way they want so I'm really not sure how you could prevent senseless trolling without breaking something else more.

I'm really not sure what the devs intended for that TBH. Is it really designed to be something you can do just because? Is the system designed so your age old enemy can just play "generate the notification" 'till the cows come home? I am positive that system being used won't be hard to defend against troll but are troll even supposed to be a thing in the first place? His something wrong in the implementation on this side of the coin or is it really working as intended. That's what I would really like to know.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#148 - 2015-08-04 21:46:03 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You do realize that you don't have to catch anything to defend?

Just checking.

You kinda do if you want to prevent trolling. Your sov will not be in real danger but you will always get notification about structure X in system Y being attacked. If you could catch the damn thing and kill it, you might get some relief on that. In the current implementation, you can defend against troll but trolling is just plain wrong in the first place imo. I realize it's a sandbox and people will play the way they want so I'm really not sure how you could prevent senseless trolling without breaking something else more.

I'm really not sure what the devs intended for that TBH. Is it really designed to be something you can do just because? Is the system designed so your age old enemy can just play "generate the notification" 'till the cows come home? I am positive that system being used won't be hard to defend against troll but are troll even supposed to be a thing in the first place? His something wrong in the implementation on this side of the coin or is it really working as intended. That's what I would really like to know.

Chase them, or try to engage them, and they've won. I used to do trolling like that in the playground as a child [got suspended for it too].

Deny them fun. Every single time they try.

I'd recommend just ECM jam them, so they can't do anything. Most people hate ECM for that reason. The Scorpion is probably ideal for this (can perma-jam anything fast enough to be a problem); toss in an ECM burst for added salt, and a smartbomb(s) for anti-drones, warp disruption and attacking them is optional as you just want to drive them off (and they are "un-catchable" anyways).
Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2015-08-04 21:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Frostys Virpio wrote:


lol
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Ok?

besides whats so hard about bombing as well? unless you dont know how its done....
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2015-08-04 21:57:03 UTC
Icycle wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


lol
https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/46741313/
Ok?

besides whats so hard about bombing as well? unless you dont know how its done....


Pretty sure all the "pith xxx" rats like the one on that kill only sapwn inside of anoms/sites while the ones on the gates are "Guristas xxx". It also does not have an entosis link so it's not a troll ceptor. Are you discussing experience with the new SOV system or ratter hunting again?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#151 - 2015-08-04 21:58:35 UTC
The purpose of the e-link is to show that you have control of the grid. You don't have that control if you have to be on a hair trigger to warp or burn away at any moment. Thus, I propose that the e-link should prevent the use of both the warp drive and a microwarp drive, when active.

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Icycle
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#152 - 2015-08-04 22:09:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Buldath
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Icycle wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:


lol
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Ok?

besides whats so hard about bombing as well? unless you dont know how its done....


Pretty sure all the "pith xxx" rats like the one on that kill only sapwn inside of anoms/sites while the ones on the gates are "Guristas xxx". It also does not have an entosis link so it's not a troll ceptor. Are you discussing experience with the new SOV system or ratter hunting again?


No thats nothing to do with a pith x. This is one of the secrets to fast lock. Look at the related kill and you will see that this guy killed the ship that actually did the fast look. I know cos I do use this from time to time myself.

Since I got to spoon feed you, this is the related kill.
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Under that look at the kill. This is the fast locker ship. Now you can get even better if you put implants but the majority of the cases you dont need to ok?
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Is that sufficient or are you going to come up with some other lame excuse Lol
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#153 - 2015-08-04 22:10:17 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
The purpose of the e-link is to show that you have control of the grid. You don't have that control if you have to be on a hair trigger to warp or burn away at any moment. Thus, I propose that the e-link should prevent the use of both the warp drive and a microwarp drive, when active.


Afterburner too, I assume?

I've had yet another, different idea - prevent Entosis fitted ships from getting further way from a contested node than the range of their Entosis link, kinda like a reverse POS shield. That way the ships are able to use their prop mods appropriately for combat, but they cannot burn off in a straight line. So an interceptor with a T1 could not get more than 25 km away.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#154 - 2015-08-04 22:14:10 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
The purpose of the e-link is to show that you have control of the grid. You don't have that control if you have to be on a hair trigger to warp or burn away at any moment. Thus, I propose that the e-link should prevent the use of both the warp drive and a microwarp drive, when active.


Afterburner too, I assume?

I've had yet another, different idea - prevent Entosis fitted ships from getting further way from a contested node than the range of their Entosis link, kinda like a reverse POS shield. That way the ships are able to use their prop mods appropriately for combat, but they cannot burn off in a straight line. So an interceptor with a T1 could not get more than 25 km away.

That could work too, but might be harder to code.
For mine, Id leave ABs working. It should be sufficient.

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Lena Lazair
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#155 - 2015-08-05 01:48:40 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
The purpose of the e-link is to show that you have control of the grid. You don't have that control if you have to be on a hair trigger to warp or burn away at any moment. Thus, I propose that the e-link should prevent the use of both the warp drive and a microwarp drive, when active.


Or they could have just made it a deployable and avoided all of these problems.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2015-08-05 03:10:55 UTC
You know that a system is bad when mining is more rewarding game play than chasing away sov trolls. At least you get something with mining.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2015-08-05 03:18:14 UTC
Falin Whalen wrote:
You know that a system is bad when mining is more rewarding game play than chasing away sov trolls. At least you get something with mining.

But for the guy running the link, it's kind of like ice mining in reverse. You're putting the stront back.
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2015-08-05 03:43:22 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

But for the guy running the link, it's kind of like ice mining in reverse. You're putting the stront back.

Yea, undoing what the turd-burglar in the trollcepter did is even worse than chasing them off, because you have to sit on your ass for 10 - 15 minutes, un entosising things. I'm going to predict a great exodus from null, because a lot of people are finding that despite all the advantages to owning null sovereignty, they aren't outweighing the total shitshow that is defending it.

What will the sov trolls do when they only have themselves to troll?

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ISD Buldath
#159 - 2015-08-05 03:55:30 UTC
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Raz Xym
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2015-08-05 05:07:35 UTC
My experience for far has only been with cleaning up unanswered trolling events. And cleaning up after these is a bother. But perhaps they need to be bothersome, to encourage people to react to the initial flip.

So far, in my opinion, the general consensus in most fleets seems to be.... this sucks. I tend to agree the amount of organization/work just to perform the save is larger than the initial trolling action. Now I can come up with reasons why this is good and bad. But, for me, it is hard to really comment on this new system until there is an actual real invasion attempt.

Overall I think the system has merits. The initial flip might be a little to open to trolls. But as I suggested, this can be good and bad. Having been one of the people involved with cleaning up after a troll event, I can definitely.... yawn. But hey... these events would not have happened, most likely could not have happened under the old mechanism. And as people realize how bothersome the cleanup is, the less chance they will occur unanswered. Unless of course, they should not own the space in question.

Now... we just need to see it action. Enough of these trolling events. I want to see a full blown old fashioned organized invasion with defenders who can defend themselves. I know, wishful thinking.

Note: These are my opinions and my opinions alone. They in no way reflect the thoughts of anyone else.