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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#121 - 2015-07-13 14:13:34 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


Done level 4's with assault frigates and logi frigates, can be fun, depends on the mission though, why make it pay more, make it the same as level 4 we would be totally happy with that. What we need is that its more of a challenge and it has to be more than just drop you in teh middle of a whole lot of rats, make it so you can move in on them with a fleet.


EVE already has that, they are called "null sec anomalies". I do them every day, 3 machariel BPCs so far this week (yea, they don't sell as well as they used to, but isk is isk). The probelm I always have with ideas like yours (and there are a lot of people with those ideas) is that it's asking CCP to remake something that already exists, just for people who don't want to use content that already exists.

That's simply wrong, CCP should either be fixing old stuff or making completely new stuff, not giving already existing stuff to lazy people.



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Its not a case of man up, I find getting dropped by BLOP's so tediously boring that I would rather watch paint dry, it is boring as hell, why subject myself to giving them free easy kills to stroke their epeen, have to be a masochist to enjoy doing that, and its not as if its a challenge for them, its easy to do.

I have operated in 0.0 and that's what people do, play Tanks or something while having a cloaky alt and as soon as they see someone active they log in and in comes the drop, its just boring as hell to have to deal with carpet AFK cloaky Cyno's all the time. We want contact where we can play have a joke and a laugh without being subject to lame ball less drops all the time. In any case the issue with reduced numbers is with hisec, its just lame content for single players and nothing apart from incursions for group play. People are starved for fun group content in hisec and insisting that we go and give easy kills to people in low sec or null is not going to happen, why would I do that.

Have you been BLOP's dropped, you get neuted, ECM'd so you cannot even fire back, then popped in short order they then warp to safes cloak up and jump out. Its boring as hell like being ECM'd by the Falcon of old, why the hell would I do that? You going to tell me its fun, but it is not fun for me, why the hell would I subject myself to that rubbish?


I've been playing since June of 2007, been in null since late 2008/early 2009. I've suffered exactly 2 blops drops in that entire time, one of them I escaped due to having an MJD (thank goodness that stealth bomber guy was to dumb to fit a scram). The point is to NOT get caught, and if you are getting caught, you are doing something intensely wrong.

You keep citing boring mechanics, but that's just you rationalizing personal failure, you can't get ECM'd by a blops drop if you are no where to be found by the time the blops jumps the cyno (and i'll bet your main problem has to do with where you play'd, NPC null is not null) . It's ok if you don't like null pve for legitimate reasons, but your dislike is no reason for CCP to give you stuff to do in high sec.


So you're saying if you pay attention in a C4 (for example) by watching D-scan listening for activations from scouts that you won't lose a Paladin from a hot drop? You jester you


pretty sure cynos dont work in wormholes...if you been hotdropped in a wormhole you should file a petition :)


They don't?? But the videos clearly shows a Paladin getting blitz to death by a gang of logis, T3Cs, and Geddons. So how they do it if not from a hotdrop?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#122 - 2015-07-13 14:15:44 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... Also, seriously, don't mail me in private pretending you've done something different to... idk? Save face? Don't pull that **** with me, Jen, because ...
I was mailed about your history and agreed to not dig in personally (unintentionally) but it seems you are sitting there hitting F5 repeatedly.
So, let us go with the other route then.
I have seen people with far less than you (that you have a computer and internet means that you definitely have more resources than they did) hit rock bottom and pulled themselves up with less than perfect health and less than a full deck of playing cards.

I hope you find your rock bottom is a lot more shallow than theirs was.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2015-07-13 14:16:43 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:


They don't?? But the videos clearly shows a Paladin getting blitz to death by a gang of logis, T3Cs, and Geddons. So how they do it if not from a hotdrop?


I don't think you understand what a hotdrop is.

A hotdrop requires a cyno, swiftly followed by BLOPS or caps. And sometimes other stuff, depending on whether or not a titan is bridging for the hotdroppers.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2015-07-13 14:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... Also, seriously, don't mail me in private pretending you've done something different to... idk? Save face? Don't pull that **** with me, Jen, because ...
I was mailed about your history and agreed to not dig in personally (unintentionally) but it seems you are sitting there hitting F5 repeatedly.
So, let us go with the other route then.
I have seen people with far less than you (that you have a computer and internet means that you definitely have more resources than they did) hit rock bottom and pulled themselves up with less than perfect health and less than a full deck of playing cards.

I hope you find your rock bottom is a lot more shallow than theirs was.


I think you are conflating my personal problems with my EVE ability. I've been to and conquered my rock bottom a long time ago, this week has not even come close, but it's been bad. I didn't join EVE until 2012. But what people in EVE don't know is that I spent 2008-2009 homeless. I came back from that through hard work and perseverance, both of which I still have to put in today to keep from returning to the gutter. But that doesn't bother me anymore, I know the meaning of effort these days.

I'm more annoyed that you would use me as an example of CODE, amongst whom many I would consider very good friends, not to mention much better people than I. Don't do that, seriously, I don't care what you think of me, but talk about my friends like they're scumbags as bad as me and I will break you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2015-07-13 14:24:50 UTC
Can you not cyno from one point in a system to another? I know you can't cyno out of a wh, or inside.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2015-07-13 14:26:29 UTC
Still, I shouldnt' be posting here in my current state of mind. I will refrain and ignore any and all responses to this post or others directed at me until I am fully sober. Even the effort of checking my spelling right now is hurting, but do not despair! I will be back tomorrow to crush those who might belittle the efforts of those that seek only to make high sec space a more appealing place to live! LONG LIVE THE CODE! LONG LIVE JAMES 315!

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Lan Wang
African Atomic.
Dreadnought Diplomacy.
#127 - 2015-07-13 14:28:53 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Can you not cyno from one point in a system to another? I know you can't cyno out of a wh, or inside.


im sure cynos dont work in wh's, i may be wrong though, similar to incursion effects maybe

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#128 - 2015-07-13 14:29:17 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Can you not cyno from one point in a system to another? I know you can't cyno out of a wh, or inside.


No, has to be another system in low or null sec.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Jenshae Chiroptera
#129 - 2015-07-13 14:29:56 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... CODE, ... but talk about my friends like they're scumbags ...
Given a virtual universe with free choice, that behaviour is their natural inclination? That is exactly my opinion of the group.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#130 - 2015-07-13 14:30:04 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Can you not cyno from one point in a system to another? I know you can't cyno out of a wh, or inside.


im sure cynos dont work in wh's, i may be wrong though, similar to incursion effects maybe


The cyno can be lit, but nothing can jump to it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-07-13 14:31:00 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Can you not cyno from one point in a system to another? I know you can't cyno out of a wh, or inside.


No, has to be another system in low or null sec.

Bummer. Thanks!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#132 - 2015-07-13 14:33:58 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I see you all the time asking for level 4's to be nerfed, come on how can you say that with a straight face, you are never honest with yourself.


I've never said anyhting about lvl4s being nerfed. SOE and Thukker aren't the only lvl 4 agents. What I have said is that those shouldn't be in high sec like that, becaise I myself have exploited them.

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As for making me do something different, I got bored with them being lame, it was no longer fun for me to annoy them, mainly because my other fun was destroyed by the D-scan immunity, you do realise that these people just do the easy thing all the time, so I was just expecting to see combat recons all the time, which gave them too much grid control, so decided nah


So nothing happened to you, but because something might, you abandoned that kind of game play.

That's dumb. I'm living in Wicked Creek right now. NCdot (my old alliance) is in hot drop distance. PL is too. I'm playing and having fun. i did lose a Rattlesnake to being stupid (I KNOW not to warp to the station and did it anyways), but it was an acceptable loss, because we're playing a video game.

Play as you will, just stop with the excuses. You got chased out of what you were doing by people you don't like (and your own personality issues), leave it at that.

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So to keep in the game I want some fun PvE combat which I can do with my mates and I don't have to exposed to those losers, simple issue which CCP will not sort, hell they can make it pay the same as level 1's, we just want fun PvE content that means I don't have to expose myself to those lame players. So I accept it not to be a ISK font, so what do you say, lame PvP players have had it made easier for them, why not make it fun for people who cannot be bothered with them.

I have about 45bn ISK, I don't care about ISK, CCP give me fun small fleet PvE content in safer space that I can do with my corp-mates for fun, using all the high level skills we have and all those wonderful ships we can play without having to run around those lame players who only log in to kill something that their AFK alt has found for them.


And the whole idea is wrong on several levels.

#1, if you want that, there are several COSMOS areas/beacons with respawning 'no bounty' battleship rats. If that kind of PVE is what you actually wanted, you would have done that.

#2. The Luminare Titan has respawning battleship rats, you aren't there either.

#3. Several other high sec sites have respawning rats, you don't know about them because rather than look for them you come to the forums asking CCP to add for you content that already exists, even in high sec.

#4. you fixation on "lame people" is your biggest problem , if you stopped worrying about what others do, you'd have more fun.

End of the day Dracvlad, you are your own worst enemy. You can be mad at me for telling you this, but you are man, you have issues and rather than deal with this you sperg on these forums. I couldn't imagine being you.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#133 - 2015-07-13 14:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I see you all the time asking for level 4's to be nerfed, come on how can you say that with a straight face, you are never honest with yourself.


I've never said anyhting about lvl4s being nerfed. SOE and Thukker aren't the only lvl 4 agents. What I have said is that those shouldn't be in high sec like that, becaise I myself have exploited them.

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As for making me do something different, I got bored with them being lame, it was no longer fun for me to annoy them, mainly because my other fun was destroyed by the D-scan immunity, you do realise that these people just do the easy thing all the time, so I was just expecting to see combat recons all the time, which gave them too much grid control, so decided nah


So nothing happened to you, but because something might, you abandoned that kind of game play.

That's dumb. I'm living in Wicked Creek right now. NCdot (my old alliance) is in hot drop distance. PL is too. I'm playing and having fun. i did lose a Rattlesnake to being stupid (I KNOW not to warp to the station and did it anyways), but it was an acceptable loss, because we're playing a video game.

Play as you will, just stop with the excuses. You got chased out of what you were doing by people you don't like (and your own personality issues), leave it at that.

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So to keep in the game I want some fun PvE combat which I can do with my mates and I don't have to exposed to those losers, simple issue which CCP will not sort, hell they can make it pay the same as level 1's, we just want fun PvE content that means I don't have to expose myself to those lame players. So I accept it not to be a ISK font, so what do you say, lame PvP players have had it made easier for them, why not make it fun for people who cannot be bothered with them.

I have about 45bn ISK, I don't care about ISK, CCP give me fun small fleet PvE content in safer space that I can do with my corp-mates for fun, using all the high level skills we have and all those wonderful ships we can play without having to run around those lame players who only log in to kill something that their AFK alt has found for them.


And the whole idea is wrong on several levels.

#1, if you want that, there are several COSMOS areas/beacons with respawning 'no bounty' battleship rats. If that kind of PVE is what you actually wanted, you would have done that.

#2. The Luminare Titan has respawning battleship rats, you aren't there either.

#3. Several other high sec sites have respawning rats, you don't know about them because rather than look for them you come to the forums asking CCP to add for you content that already exists, even in high sec.

#4. you fixation on "lame people" is your biggest problem , if you stopped worrying about what others do, you'd have more fun.

End of the day Dracvlad, you are your own worst enemy. You can be mad at me for telling you this, but you are man, you have issues and rather than deal with this you sperg on these forums. I couldn't imagine being you.


I couldn't imagine being you either, you spend most of your time making yourself look good and making assumptions about others based on your own prejudices.

The issue is that those lame players control the game in the main and there are lots like that, its tedious and boring.

So what if you maximise or exploited level 4's in hisec, why remove that from people who don't? That is your issue.

I got chased out once after 6 months, and that needed to have NCDOT. in their entirety nearby, apart from that I just got bored with it. Its like being bored with people roaming with Cynabels or people doing hisec wars with Cynabels, its boring, I just loved it when the tier 3 BC's came out and I could just sit them inside a group of long range tackle and short range DPS and blap them to run away, that was so much fun, did not get any kills but they could no longer pick off tackle, ROFL Oh dear another person reported in a Cynabel, we used to sigh and laugh, then one of these monkeys got all upset because I used a Falcon on him, so I told him thats a bit rich coming from someone in a GTFO ship, leet PvP and all that, he could not understand the irony of his whine, it was VOC player by the way.

I will check those COSMOS beacons out and the Luminaire etc., did not pay any attention to that as assumed that it would mainly be easy stuff for new players, hopefully you are not pulling my leg on those, you do realise I want to use shiny ships in a fleet for fun.

As for abandoning things for something that might happen, I got hotdropped unsuccessfully, it did happen, I was just too much on the ball for them, well part of that was me making them actually jump in so I took the risk to make that waste time and effort, so when you say something that may happen, not at all, I was good enough to not die to them.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#134 - 2015-07-13 14:56:40 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
I used to rat in systems with people actively trying to kill me, I was also set up to kill them, in other words using PvP fits, it was fun, but the fine line on that is how you do it and their advantages, the D-scan immunity for combat recons ended that as a fun game for me, because I could only continue to play as I did before by having 10 accounts. Now I had too many unknown major game change ships that I could not account for within that fine line, yes I am mad as hell about it.


Correct me if I am wrong, but surely the level of danger you faced before they tweaked recons was not all dissimilar to what you would be facing now?

Why would D-scan immunity for combat recons break the game? I mean, before, was it not a possibility that a hero in a covops could have lit a covert cyno to bridge in a T3 gang on top of you? Yet now, it's so bad you have to stop playing the way you did? What?

You seem overly bitter about it IMO.
Freya Sertan
Doomheim
#135 - 2015-07-13 15:01:42 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... CODE, ... but talk about my friends like they're scumbags ...
Given a virtual universe with free choice, that behaviour is their natural inclination? That is exactly my opinion of the group.


And your branding of them, who for the record are GREAT people, forms MY opinion of you. Guess what? It isn't pretty either.

New Eden isn't nice. It isn't friendly. It isn't very hospitiable. Good thing there are people here to shoot in the face.

Want to make New Eden a nice place? Try this out.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2015-07-13 15:05:03 UTC
Freya Sertan wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... CODE, ... but talk about my friends like they're scumbags ...
Given a virtual universe with free choice, that behaviour is their natural inclination? That is exactly my opinion of the group.


And your branding of them, who for the record are GREAT people, forms MY opinion of you. Guess what? It isn't pretty either.

I'm sorry but generalizing a group of people into good or bad is dumb. There's really bad people in CODE just s much there are good people in CODE. Denying that and assuming that there's only one type of people there is just stupid.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#137 - 2015-07-13 15:13:05 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


I couldn't imagine being you either, you spend most of your time making yourself look good and making assumptions about others based on your own prejudices.


I don't spend my time making myself look good, people like you (who would rather complain on a forum than figure out a video game that I play successfully every night) make me look good.

Leaving all the bullshit aside, talking man to (girly avatar) man, I'm telling you dude, your problem is mainly you, fix that and you fix your experience.

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The issue is that those lame players control the game in the main and there are lots like that, its tedious and boring.


And this is the personal issue of which I speak. They control nothing. Mittani himself can't keep me out of VFK (I hear it's beautiful this time of year). You let others 'control' you so you don't have fun (as evidenced by you asking CCP to make mroe content for you), I don't let anyone 'control' me and I do have fun.


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I got chased out once after 6 months, and that needed to have NCDOT. in their entirety nearby, apart from that I just got bored with it.


I got ncdot (my old allaince) within 1 jump of me, that ain't chasing a damn thing where I'm concerned. Again, this illustrates the difference between you and me.

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I will check those COSMOS beacons out and the Luminaire etc., did not pay any attention to that as assumed that it would mainly be easy stuff for new players, hopefully you are not pulling my leg on those, you do realise I want to use shiny ships in a fleet for fun.


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Minmatar_COSMOS#COMPLEX.2C_LANDMARK_and_COMBAT_SITE_missions

Spend less time complaining. Less time worrying about ncdot and 'lame people. Spend more time figuring things out. FIGHT BACK (not with guns, with savy), and you and I won't be having this discussion any more.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#138 - 2015-07-13 15:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Renegade Heart wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
I used to rat in systems with people actively trying to kill me, I was also set up to kill them, in other words using PvP fits, it was fun, but the fine line on that is how you do it and their advantages, the D-scan immunity for combat recons ended that as a fun game for me, because I could only continue to play as I did before by having 10 accounts. Now I had too many unknown major game change ships that I could not account for within that fine line, yes I am mad as hell about it.


Correct me if I am wrong, but surely the level of danger you faced before they tweaked recons was not all dissimilar to what you would be facing now?

Why would D-scan immunity for combat recons break the game? I mean, before, was it not a possibility that a hero in a covops could have lit a covert cyno to bridge in a T3 gang on top of you? Yet now, it's so bad you have to stop playing the way you did? What?

You seem overly bitter about it IMO.


I actually did a EN24 article on it.

The issue is that I am mainly operating in NPC 0.0 so the system in terms of docking is not controlled. So from that prespective if you set up correctly you get D-scans so you have toons in D-scan range so you can mash that button to pick up cloakies, now that combat recons don't show up on D-scan that entire approach died. I had to have people in visual range to know what the enemy was in. Combat recons have abilities to neut from long range, scram and disrupt from long range and web from long range, this meant that you had no prior intel on those ships unless you had an account for each gate and every station.

I was using two PvP fit phantasms, with AB's, people who used interceptors would die, anything bigger would have a hard job to keep on me, the control that these combat recon ships have in terms of long range neuts, scrams, disruptors and webs meant that I had to take too much of a risk and could not control my engagement, which is especially important when you are in an area where the other people had more numbers. Alternative to being afk cloaky camped is use cheap ships like thrashers for belt ratting, but their worst nightmare is combat recon ships.

I did some tests with combat recon ships coming in against uncloaking force recons or T3's and in real life terms I found that the time I had to get out was reduced significantly in comparison to cloakies, one reason being due to their greater abilities in comparison to the cloaky ones. Its all about setting yourself up to make it harder for people, such as where you come into the belt and pulling the rats where you want them.

Often I could kill the rats and get out before the covert ops could get close enough, do you see it now, now all they needed to do was use something like a Cheetah which you can get to 660 m/s cloaked and bring the combat recons in on it once they got close enough to get their long range abilities in play.

This is why I did not like it, because my margin of error as an intelligent player that was maximising my odds to make it difficult for lame players was reduced to an unacceptable level so that even lazy tards could get me. Hence my annoyance with CCP.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#139 - 2015-07-13 15:26:17 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


I couldn't imagine being you either, you spend most of your time making yourself look good and making assumptions about others based on your own prejudices.


I don't spend my time making myself look good, people like you (who would rather complain on a forum than figure out a video game that I play successfully every night) make me look good.

Leaving all the bullshit aside, talking man to (girly avatar) man, I'm telling you dude, your problem is mainly you, fix that and you fix your experience.

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The issue is that those lame players control the game in the main and there are lots like that, its tedious and boring.


And this is the personal issue of which I speak. They control nothing. Mittani himself can't keep me out of VFK (I hear it's beautiful this time of year). You let others 'control' you so you don't have fun (as evidenced by you asking CCP to make mroe content for you), I don't let anyone 'control' me and I do have fun.


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I got chased out once after 6 months, and that needed to have NCDOT. in their entirety nearby, apart from that I just got bored with it.


I got ncdot (my old allaince) within 1 jump of me, that ain't chasing a damn thing where I'm concerned. Again, this illustrates the difference between you and me.

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I will check those COSMOS beacons out and the Luminaire etc., did not pay any attention to that as assumed that it would mainly be easy stuff for new players, hopefully you are not pulling my leg on those, you do realise I want to use shiny ships in a fleet for fun.


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Minmatar_COSMOS#COMPLEX.2C_LANDMARK_and_COMBAT_SITE_missions

Spend less time complaining. Less time worrying about ncdot and 'lame people. Spend more time figuring things out. FIGHT BACK (not with guns, with savy), and you and I won't be having this discussion any more.


And yet you call for level 4's to be removed from hisec.

NCDOT. of now are not the same as they were when I was in Stain, they are no where near as good as they were, a lot of their better players have gone inactive, now they are not much of a threat now. And if you are smart and have multiple accounts so leave one in there or have people that you know in NCDOT you can get intel on them, so you know when they will be up for a drop on you, I am sure you do it. I limit my accounts to what I want to pay in RL money, I don't grind for plex, I am a casual player in many ways, which is the issue in comparing myself to you, or you to me.

Because you have multiple accounts which I am sure you fund with plex, you have alternatives I am more casual then you in terms of that, hence the greater impact. Recently I have been training up my secondary characters to high levels, luike my mains so I have options to go do something else. That was one of my issues, but then again that shows another issue with Eve in that sense.

I am in the main casual in how I play Eve and that is the issue...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Jenshae Chiroptera
#140 - 2015-07-13 15:37:55 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I've never said anyhting about lvl4s being nerfed. SOE and Thukker aren't the only lvl 4 agents. What I have said is that those shouldn't be in high sec like that, becaise I myself have exploited them.
SOE has grow into its position. Thukker I think was deliberate so that people would feel they are being clever. Some things are deliberately placed and not too well hidden in games so that players can feel a sense of achievement of "beating the system"
The key thing with both is that everyone has equal access.

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.